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Darrien Church Honored Member


Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 1810
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: An Interesting Obvervation.... |
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For you older Rpers...anyone know why we stopped using guild-colors?
I'm not going anyplace with this, just thought of it the other night.  |
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Spawn Sage


Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 556 Location: New York
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: |
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I havent the slightest idea...
Good point though! _________________
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Darrien Church Honored Member


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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I mean you SOMEWHAT see the remnants of the old custom of ours with guilds like Sanctus (black?) House of Isk (bronze?), House of the Gauntlet (Luna White?) The King's Hand (Red) and Moonglow (Blue) all of which are GMed by old community members who have it ingrained under pain of death in our psyche that a guild must...simply MUST have a color!  |
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Leshok Majere Certifiable


Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 1790 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Adrien Garnier wrote: | Yeah, I mean you SOMEWHAT see the remnants of the old custom of ours with guilds like Sanctus (black?) House of Isk (bronze?), House of the Gauntlet (Luna White?) The King's Hand (Red) and Moonglow (Blue) all of which are GMed by old community members who have it ingrained under pain of death in our psyche that a guild must...simply MUST have a color!  |
Well yes as well as they should, most organizations of such a time frame and setting used colors to set themselves apart and to recognize each other. This was alot to keep you from killing your friend on the battle field. Plus each group would want to look "important"
and lets not forget the symbolism of colors!
My account is still inactive but I KNOW where my white surcoat crafted by winter and my crimson cloak are at all times.
I like the idea of uniforms and guild colors myself, sense of hmm collectiveness? _________________ After all these years, I'm still putting up with Kuja and Vaen? whats wrong with me?
"Fri Jan 14 20:07:01 2005 [08:45:38] Kuja: ghaahahahahahha...ha..h.a..... NOTHING TO FREAKING DO IN GAME GAH"
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Cal Hurst Atlantic Legend


Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 8025 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Guild colors are mainly used by military guilds it seems.
Non-military based guilds kind of have little reason to wear a uniform. _________________
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Wolfe Lore Keeper

Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 898
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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To add on to what Vaen said...
One of the fun parts of UO is dressing up your character how you like. For a non-military character, you have the choice of all the items in the game (barring ones you can't use due to race/gender) so people don't want to be restricted by colors.
They like their shadow and blood red
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Talon Skyfire Seasoned Veteran

Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 374 Location: Sanctus
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Sanctus always has been and always will be required to wear black and gold.
We have a saying when our recruits ask the questions of uniforms:
"You can wear whatever colors you like, so long as those colors are black and gold" _________________ ~Lord Talon Skyfire
King of Sanctus
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Darrien Church Honored Member


Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 1810
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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This is true, it does fit the "military character" more unless you take into account the notion of a "guild" as it existed in Southern Europe particularly in Italy.
Much like Leshok stated I know that in Italy corner-clubs operated as "Guild-Halls" and members of said Guilds when attending functions or...brawling in a Piazza (because fishmonger guild A dissed fishmonger guild B) they wore a guild color or some sort of a scarf to signify their membership.
Modern day example of this would be the Sienese Horse-Race held once a year in Sienna where different municipalities within Sienna converge in the town's square decked out in the colors of their municipality to cheer on their mounted racer.
Of course for you futbol fans the fanatics wearing their scarves causing near riots.
But I suppose it would depend on the nature of the Guild. Military-Guilds, Trade-Guilds, House/Family Guilds, or scholarly Guilds would be the only ones who I suspect historically would wear any sort of defining garment.
Actually, the modern day Roman-Catholic Priest's black with a white-box collar developed from something quite similar to the system above.
This raises another point...am I the only one who considers main-land Britannia to be the English/German Medieval word, Nujel'm/Magincia/Moonglow Spain/Italy/France, Malas The New World and Tokuno the Far East in terms of culture differences and IRL Personas?
That's how I always compared the cities appearance wise, culturally and in terms of accent. Adrien being Magincian I always pictured as a little more tan with some sort of a subtle Italic/French accent and mentality. |
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Cal Hurst Atlantic Legend


Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 8025 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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I'd consider just about all of Sosaria to be English/German, and maybe a little Italy. No France or Spain though.
Malas, I don't think really fits into anything. But Tokuno definitely the east. _________________
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Darrien Church Honored Member


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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Aye my logic for Malas was the exodus of people from the Britannian mainland such as the Stormguard and Molly and then the current Umbran Government's idea of acceptance and freedom.
As far as Spain...heh Isk and old-school Humanis made me have Franco/Isabella/Ferdinand flashbacks
'In ISK'S Magincia every citizen has bread!"
France I actually have no reason for other then this...what would the world be without the French?  |
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Nh'bdy Seasoned Veteran


Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 308
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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One of our Costumes includes Black and Tan, an ode to the amazing paramilitary force...or the drink. I'm not sure which. _________________ Work in Progress.
"What do you call a fish with four legs? A stool pidgeon! Bwuagh bwuagh bwuagh bwguagh!"
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Ceinwyn ab'Arawn Transcendent Spammer

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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Umbran colors are officially shadow and black. yes there's a difference. I dye the cloth shadow with a bugged leather tub im lucky to have.
When we drops books (for two years now) we make a banner with our colors.
All official Umbran homes, however, use the purple and blue sign on the home. On UO.com, the necromancer flag is on a field of purple and blue, that is where it comes from, as Umbra is the city of necromancy and shadow.
While only the lowest ranking have to wear an all black robe until they prove their loyalty, there is no established dress code, even though we are military. Our reason is that we don't want to be distinguishable on the field of war.. like our enemies... whom at a glance we can denote high officers of sanctus by the sashes and other such that they wear.
We have worn uniforms though for formal events, like funerals, special trainings.
In the WIT program, children have school uniforms they must wear until they graduate. And there are different ones for females and males. |
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Cear Dallben ZOG Moderator


Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 2495 Location: Blackrock, Isle of the Avatar
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Morio_Kitsune Seasoned Veteran


Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 372 Location: Cove
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Adrien Garnier wrote: | France I actually have no reason for other then this...what would the world be without the French?  |
Alot better place i think *Grins*
But joking aside, i think that sosoria as a whole is in a european medievil era, and yes i think there should be guild colours, be they military, trading and so on, english, scottish, welsh and irish nobles all had their coat of arms and colours that they and those serving there houses and estates, same too with other european countries and houses there.... _________________ cezanna "No, he is a fair and faithful man, Ranna"
Ranna "That's how kitsune are.. well.. I dunno about Iruka.." |
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Garrick Koetrig Seasoned Veteran

Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 383 Location: Kingdom of Stahlkrieger
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Talon is correct...Sanctus wears Black and Gold...as Malic this is heavily enforced when seen.
Stahlkrieger wears Silver colored Iron armor with "special blue" garments...no options there either.
The UBB which isn't an entirely RP guild but has roleplayers...wears Valorite mostly.
Malic as sheriff, then commander now chancellor is a stickler for a uniform...this enforces many things within a guild(city state) for others to notice...Uniformity, a show of force, organization and pride in one's kingdom being a few.
Thats just my view on it all. _________________ A government must not waiver once it has chosen it's course. It must not look to the left or right but go forward.--Otto von Bismarck
Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless- A Hitler
Exterminate heresy, lest it take root and overturn the state and social order-Charles HRE
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