Thirty Third Meeting of the Yew Council

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Thrawn: thank you all for coming today
Thrawn: I suspect that we all might be a bit weary from yesterday's events
Thrawn: and I think yesterday's events will be the main topic for today's discussion
Thrawn: so, let me begin by thanking Dunedain for his efforts in organizing the event
Anna: *claps*
Rabulkian: *claps*
Thrawn: and let's give him a nice round of applause
Gwendolyn: *claps too*
Thrawn: *clap clap*
Thorin: *claps*
Rabulkian: *claps*
Gwendolyn: Well done, Dune!
Vargen: bravo
Rabulkian: well done!
Dunedain: thank yoou all very much
Thrawn: of course, the event would not be a success without the participation of all involved
Thrawn: so thanks to all those Guilds who showed up, on both sides of the battle
Thrawn: I think seeing everybody show up and pull together and
Thrawn: for the most part, "play nice", is a very good feeling for the whole shard
Thrawn: and I think this goes to show that with some dedication and effort
Thrawn: we can make the shard an exciting place ourselves, without having to be
Thrawn: dependent on the "green robes" to create events for us
Thrawn: and hopefully this is a good sign of things to come
Thrawn: I think yesterday's display was very good for building a sense of community
Thrawn: and for building the groundwork for cooperation for future events
Thrawn: even ones of smaller scale
Thrawn: that said, I am sure there is plenty of feedback waiting about how things went
Thrawn: so I'll open the floor for discussion... as always, please raise your hand to speak...
Dunedain: *raises hand*
Thrawn: wow that was fast
Thrawn: *laughs*
Thrawn: yes Dune?
Dunedain: sthank you all for the support I received in planning the event
Dunedain: some reports have appeared
Dunedain: on the Consensus webtome already
Dunedain: please feel free to contribute
Thrawn: yes, I was reading them
Dunedain: the more feedback we get the
Dunedain: better able I will be to improve things next time
Dunedain: I intend to take a short rest
Dunedain: assess the feedback
Vargen: you've certianly earned one
Dunedain: and start planning the next event
Dunedain: perhaps a little smaller
Dunedain: *smiles*
Thrawn: sounds good to me
Vargen: *hand*
Thrawn: just from what I've read and heard so far
Thrawn: I think the biggest criticism will likely be about unbalanced numbers
Thrawn: yes, Vargen?
Vargen: with the success of the caravan war, I'd like to start seriously organizing the
Vargen: Ranger Games-type event I thought up
Vargen: to kind of keep the momentum up and give Dune a rest
Thrawn: sounds good
Dunedain: *nods*
Vargen: I've certainly enjoyed my fair share of downtime while he's been running things :)
Thrawn: I'm sure Dune can point you towards which boards and guilds were most receptive
Dunedain: hey thats an xo's job
SunWolf: *hand*
Thrawn: yes Sun?
SunWolf: I guess I have mroe good news
SunWolf: On the web tome of ours G. Dragon stated he is goign to the fair
Thrawn: yes, I saw that
SunWolf: well he is also hosting an event or section of the uo fair
Vargen: *wishes he'd known that earlier*
SunWolf: unsure what that means but it is for us all i am sure
Thrawn: is anybody here going to the faire?
William Smit IV: I might.
Vargen: I thought about it, but decided against it...
Thrawn: *nods* me too
Gwendolyn: (not me)
William Smit IV: I'll be giving away free jester hats at my section of the faire.
Dunedain: [nay ive committed my vacation to stargazing in feb]
Thrawn: hehe
SunWolf: zym dragon
SunWolf: ronde and a few other i hear is going also
Thrawn: anybody else would like to comment on the caravan yesterday? impressions?
William Smit IV: *Raises hand*
Thrawn: yes, Will?
William Smit IV: Well, it's something else, but sure... I do have a couple things to say
William Smit IV: about the caravan.
William Smit IV: A lot of people were confused about the PvP rules.
William Smit IV: A few friends of mine were angry about the use of tamed animals for one thing.
William Smit IV: I was wondering if I could have somebody clear that up for me.
Thrawn: the rules for tamers were
William Smit IV: And the other people whom I'll pass the info onto as well.
Thrawn: tamers could not use "incredibly strong" (and unbalancing) monsters
Dunedain: I will be glad to answer
Thrawn: I believe the banned tamed creatures were dragons, wyrms, nightmares
William Smit IV: Worst I saw was a hellhound.
Thrawn: sure, go ahead Dune
Dunedain: and drakes
Dunedain: the pvp rules were specific to the event
William Smit IV: What about summoning elementals, daemons and such?
Dunedain: they went beyond the normal consensus rules
Thrawn: that was quite legal
Thrawn: summoing that is
William Smit IV: All right.
William Smit IV: That clears it up for me then.
William Smit IV: There were some looting problems too.
William Smit IV: But I think I'm familiar with the looting rules.
Dunedain: they were developed in a planning meeting in mIRC and later refined on the consensus
Dunedain: board
Gwendolyn: *raises hand*
Dunedain: I posted all of the rules on almost every boartd
Gwendolyn: *raises hand*
Dunedain: i could find
Thrawn: if you know who broke any looting rules, please, by all means, letus know the culprits
Thrawn: yes, Gwen?
Dunedain: and spent the last few days prior to the event
Dunedain: answering an endless stream
Dunedain: of icq questions
Dunedain: the rules were available
Gwendolyn: I just had some comments, when Will and Dune are done.
Dunedain: to anyone who wanted to take the time top read them
William Smit IV: I pretty much got all my questions answered.
Dunedain: we all did the best we could to get the word out
Dunedain: summoned creatures were addressed and alowed
Dunedain: includimng daemons
William Smit IV: Yeppers.
Thrawn: go ahead Gwen
Gwendolyn: Thanks
Gwendolyn: *smiles*
Gwendolyn: I thought the event went great! It was absolutely amazing to see so many
Gwendolyn: lightbringers lined up in front of the Abbey.
Gwendolyn: At the Shrine, I think there were nearly 70 people (counted it in my journal)
Gwendolyn: and I know there were a few more than that at the Abbey.
Gwendolyn: I think the battles went well, for the most part. I was at the end of the caravan,
Gwendolyn: however, and only say a few small attacks.
Gwendolyn: er, saw
Gwendolyn: The Bazaar went well, too, and I thank everyone who stayed around for that.
William Smit IV: *Raises hand*
Gwendolyn: I've read through the feedback on the Consensus board, and I have a few questions...
Gwendolyn: There are a few references to "drobing"... and I'm not experienced at all with pvp,
Gwendolyn: can someone explain that please?
Thrawn: that means killing people wearing d-rbes.. deathrobes
Thrawn: basically, killing the newly ressed and defenseless
Gwendolyn: So someone was res'd, then killed again while still in the deathrobe?
Thrawn: yes
Gwendolyn: ohhh, ok
Gwendolyn: When my group passed some orcs on the road, one was clearly wearing
Gwendolyn: leather armor, not a death robe... but he and his companion shouted something
Gwendolyn: about 'DROBES'
Gwendolyn: *shrugs*
Thrawn: hrmm
Thrawn: well, if they were newly ressed, they should have left their grey robes on
Gwendolyn: I didn't stay around to find out just what happened though, as the caravan
Gwendolyn: needed to keep moving.
Gwendolyn: *nods*
Thrawn: not much you can do about that if they remove their robes, it's impossible to tell
SunWolf: i did see a few orcs attack with the grey robes
SunWolf: i got on them it was only liek 2 thou
Thrawn: *nods*
Thrawn: anything else Gwen?
Gwendolyn: I heard reports of a few people being looted, but I really think that if 4 or 5
Gwendolyn: people were looted out of over 70 participants, we were doing fine.

William Smit IV says Yeppers.

Vargen: *hand*
Gwendolyn: I think Dunedain did an excellent job organizing this and he clearly posted
Gwendolyn: the rules on a number of boards.
Rabulkian: Here, here
SunWolf: *hand*
Gwendolyn: We left it up to the participants to read them and their guild masters to
Gwendolyn: enforce that.. I don't know of a better way to handle it.
Gwendolyn: Again, thanks to everyone for making yesterday's events quite memorable.
Gwendolyn: I had a good time :)
Thrawn: good, and thank you Gwen for the part Trinsic played in the whole thing :)
Gwendolyn: You're welcome!
Thrawn: now, I have a lot of hands... Will, then Vargen, then Sun... go ahead Will

William Smit IV says Hrmm...well...
William Smit IV says Let Vargen go first.

Thrawn: okay, Vargen?
Vargen: *nods*
Vargen: this is kind of tangential but the mention of looting reminded me of something
Vargen: what does everyone think of the idea of carrying a quantity of gold at battles...
Vargen: like this?
Vargen: kind of as a "bounty"
Vargen: so that there actually is somethign at stake
Vargen: but not too much
Amber Goldenrod: I was carrying some for that intent.
Amber Goldenrod: But didn't know if that was in t he plan or not.
Thrawn: that's an interesting idea
Anna: *raises hand*
Vargen: maybe have everyone carry a specially colored bag, with contents agreed upon
Vargen: beforehand by all sides
Vargen: think of it as a wager on the outcome of the fight
Dunedain: *makes notes for next event*
Vargen: then allow looting of only that bag...
SunWolf: *hand*
Vargen: that's pretty much the whole idea
Thrawn: Sun?
SunWolf: the consesus refected on that idea sometime ago
SunWolf: it will sort fo work but only if everone knows the rules
SunWolf: i forgot why it didn't work thou
SunWolf: everyone that was looted in the carvan
SunWolf: was after they went to bones
SunWolf: passer bys can do that
SunWolf: the lack of resers was the #1 problem with the looters
Rabulkian: *nods*
SunWolf: i couldn't even read who looted once it goes to bones also
SunWolf: and some of the orcs resing and attacking again
SunWolf: i let a few cause of the uneven odds
SunWolf: the good guys were all spread out
Dunedain: *was lucky it was his neighborhood so he knew where the wandering healers were*
SunWolf: the ending party had fun with the 3 orcs attacking
SunWolf: instead a bunch of dead bodies
SunWolf: but a few others left the robes on
SunWolf: whcih was wrong
SunWolf: thats all the resers hurt the looting
SunWolf: no one could get resed
SunWolf: thats all
Vargen: someone should have been gating to the britain healers
Thrawn: Will ?
Vargen: or some other place to res

William Smit IV says What I have to say I would've said to ye, Thrawn, after the meeting....

SunWolf: something we need to add next time
Vargen: *nods*

William Smit IV says But it's very important.
William Smit IV says So I thought I'd present it to everybody.
William Smit IV says As a few of you know I ran for Mayor a while ago.
William Smit IV says But, I'm not interested in that anymore... Being Mayor and all.
William Smit IV says But I still want to be a part of the Yew guild.
William Smit IV says Windlord thought it a good idea when I asked him, and I think I could do it.
William Smit IV says I was wondering if you're looking for a Vice-Mayor.

Thrawn: well, the spot has been vacant since Pyros has left
Thrawn: but hadnt you already joined the Trinsic council Will?

William Smit IV says Yes....
William Smit IV says I guess I can't be in two Councils.

Gwendolyn: *raises hand*
Thrawn: yes Gwen?
Gwendolyn: Thrawn, what are the requirements for Vice Mayor of Yew?
Thrawn: strong dedication, a solid track record, a measure of dignity, and free time
SunWolf: lets run electiosn for vice mayor
William Smit IV: Elections....
SunWolf: ride off this caravan
Gwendolyn: How do you select a Vice Mayor, Thrawn? Is it by appointment or election?
SunWolf: sine we have teh attention
Thrawn: in the past, the Vice Mayor for Yew has been appointed
Thrawn: we haven't always had a Vice Mayor actually
Thrawn: I think we've only had 2 in our history... 3 maybe
Gwendolyn: And if someone is interested in the position, but a member of another Council
Gwendolyn: at the moment, what then?
SunWolf: i don't think you can cross councils
SunWolf: like the trinsic and yew war
Thrawn: well, it's a bit of uncharted terriroty to be honest, but the idea of
SunWolf: what do they do then
Thrawn: someone leaving one council just because they could earn a "better title" in another
Thrawn: does not sound appealing to allow

William Smit IV says I don't care for titles.

Gwendolyn: Maybe it's not the title, but the opportunity...

William Smit IV says Dean of Arts sounds better to me anyway than Vice-Mayor...
William Smit IV says But it's the job entitle that intrigues me.

SunWolf: it is also if both town shave events same time
Gwendolyn: Auren Therion was induction as a member of TCoH one week before he
Gwendolyn: was selected to be Mayor of Britain.
Gwendolyn: He still has membership in both Councils....

William Smit IV says I had to go through many months of being a student, teacher, and so forth to be Dean.
William Smit IV says But that doesn't matter to me.

Thrawn: well, like I said, it's a bit uncharted territory for us
Gwendolyn: I ask mostly because the TCoH is in the process of setting up such guidelines
Gwendolyn: for selecting officers.
Gwendolyn: Uncharted for us, too, I think.
Thrawn: well, my belief is that promoting from within seems to make the most sense
Thrawn: especially when you have a good group who work hard within the organization
SunWolf: a mayor and vice mayor takesa lot of work and deditcation, to add on other jobs
SunWolf: from other guilds or councils will slow them down doign the job fully
SunWolf: in all the fields
Thrawn: did anybody else have a hand up I missed?
Dunedain: Anna
Thrawn: yes, Anna?
Anna: I forgot what I was going to say.
Dunedain: hehe
Thrawn: oh, sorry
Caillean: *laughs*
SunWolf: i think will is part fo the yew council anyway
SunWolf: a great help to us all

William Smit IV says I've been involved with it as much as I can.
William Smit IV says Well, I know I can do it, but I don't want to leave TCoH.
William Smit IV says So I guess I'll just stay where I am.

Thrawn: does anybody else have anything to add?

William Smit IV says I'll try my best to do what I can.

Anna: *raises hand*
Thrawn: Anna? it come back to you?
Anna: No are we on new topics yet?
Thrawn: we are on new topics if you want
Anna: Thank you yes I havea question maybe you can can help me with.
Anna: As you know or if you don't I try to encorgage all students to be a part of Yew.
Anna: Since they bascially grow up here.
Anna: Well I was asked by MTC if I send some Mage students to them.
Anna: And as of late I am quite confussed by Moonglows actions.

William Smit IV says The Yew Militia needs some troops.

Anna: Has anyone been reading the tombs?
SunWolf: fill us in please
Dunedain: yes
Dunedain: \I commented on it
Anna: I read one three times to make sure i red it right.
Anna: Moonglow is no longer serving Lord British.
Dunedain: the latest response by Malaicite makes it even more confusing
Anna: Thier harbours are closed.
Vargen: I knew they were sympathetic to the Council of Mages...
SunWolf: did they say why?
Anna: I am told too this has nothing to do with the factions.
Anna: Moonglow seems to be shuting herself off.
Dunedain: and yet Greypawn gave his reason
Dunedain: for leaving the BWC
SunWolf: thrawn
Dunedain: as its close ties to Lord British
Dunedain: seems a facton oriented move to me
Anna: What reason can he possible give to no longer sever the Laws of Lord British.
Anna: No he said it was not.
Anna: Has nothing to do with the factions.
Dunedain: only reason could be factions

William Smit IV says This could affect Moonglow's connection with the HoA if they don't serve LB.

Anna: GreyPawn said himself its not a faction move at all.
Dunedain: Malicite stated they were remaining in the consensus
SunWolf: *hand*
Dunedain: but they have threatened consensus guilds against con rules
Dunedain: extremely confusing
Thrawn: yes Sun?
SunWolf: i was asked sometime ago
Anna: Could someone possible find out whats going on?
SunWolf: and with this goin gon
SunWolf: i liek to be asked to fill the ambassitor job
SunWolf: and return active in yew
Dunedain: I nominate Sunwolf for ambassador
Gwendolyn: *smiles*

William Smit IV says Hear, hear! Sunwolf the Envoy!

Thrawn: thank you for the offer
Thrawn: I don't see any reason why that wouldn't be acceptable

William Smit IV says *Raises hand*

Thrawn: yes Will?

William Smit IV says Now this is just a suggestion....
William Smit IV says But if I was to say be in no Councils, and asked to be Vice-Mayor, what would
William Smit IV says ye say to that?

Thrawn: I would have to ask you to fill out an official application
Thrawn: and consult with other members of the Council about it

William Smit IV says Application, eh?

SunWolf: will your in no way being turned down
SunWolf: it just isn't fessable a mayro or vice is a single guild job
SunWolf: ask gwen how much time she puts in trinsic or thrawn

William Smit IV says I know them well enough.

SunWolf: you will be burned out in no time
Gwendolyn: Will is free to resign from TCoH if and when he wishes.

William Smit IV says I know about leadership... I've had to do some leading in places other than Britannia.
William Smit IV says But I shant get into that.

Thrawn: does anybody else have any comments before we bring things to a close today?

William Smit IV says One more thing.

Thrawn: yes Will?

William Smit IV says Is there an application on the skypage, so that I could I apply/
William Smit IV says ?

Thrawn: no
Thrawn: it is done via email

Thrawn says it is done via email
William Smit IV says Hrmm...
William Smit IV says I'll need some time to think about this.
William Smit IV says My time isn't very free at all.
William Smit IV says But it might be in the future, but I have to be sure I'd have the time to do the job.

Thrawn: anybody else?
Gwendolyn: *raises hand*
Thrawn: Gwen?
Gwendolyn: I'd just like to announce that the Trinsic Council now meets at 8pm eastern time,
Gwendolyn: instead of 7pm. Still on Sundays in the Trammel Trinsic Meeting Hall.
Gwendolyn: As always, everyone is invited.
Gwendolyn: Thanks!
Anna: *makes note to attended*
Thrawn: thanks
Thrawn: okay, thank you call for coming
Anna: Thank you Mayor.
Thrawn: and thanks again to everybody for making yesterday a success!
Thrawn: good day all

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