Sixth Yew Town Council Meeting
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Sixth Yew Town Council Meeting Yew Town Council Hall, 22-Nov-98 Gargish Dragon: Please come to order, the meeting is about to begin. Please keep this in mind to say and only speak when you have the word Thank you
Keuldan Vraal: It also helps if you say something like "done" when you are finished done
Gargish Dragon: We have several issues for today As you may know, we need to elect a new Chief Justice This is an important office, especially, if we will follow the idea I will present That will be the second topic Vargen has asked me to present a third topic, which are general elections Let us start with the office of Chief Justice As we have both candidates here, maybe we can have their idea about what the office of Chief Justice should do Can you speak a few words about this?
Treadeau Du'rome: The office of chief justice was not successfully done by the last holder. He did not do anything with the laws and now we here that there have been executions order. If a Justice is to rule... He must do it by the laws and exactly what they say Without regard to the people For this fact you need someone without a heart to do this I am done
SegWatch: You speak of having no heart, and having no compassion Would you hold the same justice to one who steals from hunger, or to avoid death As one who steals for material gain? And once again I ask you about your proposed change from a follower of entropy to one of the virtues...
Treadeau Du'rome: I answer this question by posing another what does the law say?
SegWatch: The point of the Chief Justice
Treadeau Du'rome: If your law says the thief must be punished then he must!
SegWatch: is to interpret the law If you went by just the law.. Then there would be a need for merely an executor *no more questions*
Treadeau Du'rome: If you did not follow the law why have it?
Gargish Dragon: thanks. Silver Fox?
Silver Fox: Thank ye The laws are there to be followed, but each incident is separate. Are ye saying that the circumstances around the crime do not matter?
Treadeau Du'rome: Does your law allow for circumstances to matter? If your law says Stealing is fine if the theft is justified Then the circumstances matter
Silver Fox: I'm not speaking of the crime itself, but it's punishment If someone's found stealing, then yes they should be punished
Treadeau Du'rome: All punishments should remain by what the law says that it should
Silver Fox: but should everyone be punished equally? Thank ye I'm done
Treadeau Du'rome: There would be no point in having laws and punishments if all were not treated the same
Silver Fox: Thank ye, Treadeau
Gargish Dragon: Omar?
Omar T'ssarn: you are wanting to make the law absolute it cannot be that way if there is no sway in the law then you have a deadlocked system a judge is by definition one who can decide on the factors involved im done
Keuldan Vraal: this one is for both of you are you willing to sacrifice the time for this office both in game and out? and are you capable of bringing the necisarry people together?
SegWatch: For many years, i have devoted my life To the study of the virtues.. I have finished my studies... This allows me time to Help others understand and apply these virtues.. My choice to apply for the position of Cheif Justice was motivated on this fact. Per week, I spend and average of 60 hours somtimes upwards of 80-90 hours I am very willing to donate my time to the efforts of Cheif Justice. I am currently Working with a few others to form the town of Eldanor in the new lands.. My position there will be the same as that which i currently hold As Magistrage, and Justice.. This allows me to work on my interpreations daily And apply situations in both courts. Out of game, I am able to donate the time the is needed to sucessfully help my role as Cheif Justice... Thank you.
Treadeau Du'rome: Interesting. I shall say that I am connected to aether As much as Seg is per week I am done My oppenent has left me wordless
Silver Fox: I have a couple of questions First, Segwatch Founding a town is quite a daunting task. Why do ye think ye can dedicate time to both that and Chief Justice of Yew adequately? Once that town is complete, will ye be leaving Yew?
SegWatch: ahh I am not founding the town alone... Currently, I am merely advising, and constructing the webtome for the town. After my intial version is complete (tonight) I shall not have that to worry about. Aye, founding a town is quite time-consuming.. But with compenant and honorable people helping Tis not truly that hard. Ahh I shall not be leaving yew... I will have a home in Eldanor But i shall still live here... Is there anything else milady?
Silver Fox: Anyway My second question. Ye mentioned aiding people in the Virtues. Don't you think a judge should be more interested in protecting the law than counseling people?
SegWatch: I never used the word counseling.. It is my belief that the virtues should be remembered and applied when applying justice... In the lands ruled by British
Silver Fox: But some do not subscribe to the Virtues
SegWatch: All law was formed with the virtues in mind... Aye, thou i don't truly agree with that Silver. All do conform to the virtues in one way or another. Honor to one. Is cowardice to another. And the term virtues.. Does not necesarilly mean a positive idea. An evil one can follow the virtues And in doing so make the virtues evil for himself They effect each individually And tis this which many fail to understand or perhaps wish to understand. So yes, The applicatin of the virtues In decphiring and applying the laws is necessary For they form the basis for the natural laws of man (and all in britannia)
Silver Fox: OK, thanks. I have one final question, for Treadeau. *chuckles* I'm not someone who thinks a person in political position should have ties to a guild It could lead to favoritism, or at least may be viewed as such Your thoughts?
Treadeau Du'rome: My thoughts are that no matter what the law says the breaker of it should be punished No matter who they are
Silver Fox: You don't see your allegiance to the OES a problem, in so far as others may see something?
Treadeau Du'rome: Everyone has a right under your system to see what they want . But my allegiance to the Ebon Skull Shall not effect the judgements given by me
Silver Fox: Ah, ok. Thanks I'm done, Mayor Thank ye
Gargish Dragon: Thank you, Silver Fox More questions? If not, I will proceed to the second topic
Lori: are there plans for elections?
Gargish Dragon: Well, about the election I hope we can do it through the website but I would ned to make some modifications So, it will probably just add another form to vote where registered citizens can vote We need this possibility anyway when we want to do general elections. Does that answer the question? SegWatch, please?
SegWatch: Instead of a form Filled out.. Enlist the help of scribes.. Have one book of those who are in the positions And a book for ones votes. Hold an election day event. And keep and active count of those voted for And who voted. Each book is signed by the writer This would allow for more interataction in the town of Yew and players ingame
Gargish Dragon: Thank you, SegWatch this is indeed an interesting idea I actually like it
Lori: we can have a voting box where vote are casted in via books
Gargish Dragon: I think the procedure can be worked out Are there objections against the idea doing it "ingame"?
Keuldan Vraal: none here
Greywolf: none here
Dorillion: nay
Silver Fox: *shakes head no*
Perianwyr: Not in particular, no
Keuldan Vraal: we may have to have more than one session
Silver Dryad: Books can be altered
Perianwyr: as long as a fully accurate count is kept
Keuldan Vraal: to get more pople on
Gargish Dragon: I think we will have voting open for at least one day or maybe a weekend
Gargish Dragon: Alright.. I think we can conclude this topic then We will hold elections for the Chief Justice.. next weekend?
Keuldan Vraal: perhaps all this week I want everyone a change to vote err chance maybe weds to Sunday? done
Gargish Dragon: That should be fine Can I entrust the Militia with collecting votes?
Keuldan Vraal: we can certainly do that
Gargish Dragon: We might put a voting box in a room at Empath Abbey and have people vote there
SegWatch: A question for Trea What do you do to the Townspeople In the town of Skara Brae? Are the rumour s true?
Treadeau Du'rome: If it does matter to you what I do to the townspeople of that awful city... I test certain magical spells upon those fools Sometimes inflicting death. I usually take the bodies and use them in necromatic rituals
Gargish Dragon: Thanks for your - ehem - explanation. Please let us now proceed to the second topic. Did you read the document about townstones? It isn't really necessary that you did but well, here is my idea We now have that nice stone sitting in my office. What about using it as sort of a townstone I suggest that in addition of registration as a citizen on the webpage citizens may register on the stone Registration would be open to all unless there was good reason to deny registration on the stone such as a banishmant as the result of commiting crimes Of course, what this means is.. Citizens on the stone are not protected by Lord British's laws They run certain risks but on the other hand, there could be a true community as people could trust fellow citizens if the governemnt enforces the laws it decides on In a certain sense, the citizens will have to live with the laws they give themselves Well, thats it.
Renee: Well, I had a few topics I'd prefer to discuss on the last meeting... But I had issues to handle. They may be appliable for this one though. Upon this, first... I'd prefer to not have citzens applied yet. I'd only start to register citzens, when the Militia is fully working. Without the laws of the king... We'd be responsible for applying the council law to all citzens. Until our numbers are greatly increased, and we're fully effective on service... I don't think it would be secure to any citzen. It must be extremely easy to find a Militia man to report a criminal. As it is, it's not very easy all times. What do you say ?
Gargish Dragon: Of course I see the necessity to have enough Militiamen but I don't think it is ncessary to have one available immediately disputes between citizens and thats what I want to speak about could be handled after the incident at a later time
Renee: Milord, tracking a criminal at minutes after the incident is easier ... Than try to find him a day later.
Gargish Dragon: Yes, of course it is but, we are talking about citizens here citzens who have chosen to register on the stone and thus to play at least with the rules
Renee: I know there must be community sense, but we must know who we're registering : I suppose we could be a little bit more selective.
Gargish Dragon: Well, we COULD do that but what would be do then? we would just be another guild wich has restrictions on who is joining The idea of the townstones was to allow everyone to join a town
Renee: I mean, if Jon the murderer decides to apply..What will stop him ?
Gargish Dragon: If someone choses to be a murderer AS a registered citizen he must be sure to take the consequences which ultimately is of course, banishment from the town
Renee: But it brings another issue. I will agree with that. And do we have our judges working already ?
Gargish Dragon: Actually, this is based on some sort of trust we give in advance
SegWatch: I am not sure About something here.. What actions are taken for citizens who commit actions aggainst non-citizens?
Renee: Non-citzens would have probabily the option to report only to a Militia man. Unless they know the webpage. We know not everyone does.
Gargish Dragon: This doesnt include non-citizens
SegWatch: twas not my statement Do we judge those who attack non-citizens? ie. Citizen kane attackes Brakor of Britain .And if Braken of Britain attacks Citizen Kane? do we send out a "posse"?
Gargish Dragon: Please.. one after another I want to answer the question about non-citizens first All right, SegWatch this is a legitimate question I think citizen Kane coan very well be subjected to our judgement. The other way round is mored difficult and we can probably do nothing about it he would have to be treated like any stranger and the Militia would have to take care of him
Renee: Then he is treated like a common criminal.
Gargish Dragon: Unless.. we have some sort of contract with the guild or...
SegWatch: I see the need *for more then one of these registration stones* The miltia should be on a differenct stone
Gargish Dragon: another town council Now, Segwatch why do you think one stone is not enough?
SegWatch: If we wish to apply justice to those that commit actions against the town and its protected citizens Perhaps the most diplomatic way would be to wage war with that infidel's guild. Now this requires much thought
Treadeau Du'rome: Is to destroy all fools
SegWatch: Aye and i also mean a lot depends on the actions taken. But say 2 or 3 of the citizens were venturing and were struck down by a blue non-murderer player of the guild "wekillyou" Now
Silver Dryad: The suggestion that Yew be a collection of Allied guilds is good.
SegWatch: the only way to judge them and protect our citizens would be to take action against these peoople. But some of the town are NOT warriors and twould be unfair for them to face the same as others
Gargish Dragon: To answer the question Yes, I see the point But I don't see a reason to have war at all
SegWatch: That is a point which would have to be discussed by the council
Gargish Dragon: I think some of the Militia would not want to have war with guilds and IF there was war I would really want to keep it restricted to "friendly war" in which case civilians would be included but that could only be done after much consideration
SegWatch: I fear i understand no the friendly war concept? for only certain guilds would accept that
Gargish Dragon: Well, as I understand the Order of Akalabeth and OES are at "friendly war"
SegWatch: The war last night included real dying
Perianwyr: In other words they do not perch outside the bank and kill each other
Renee: I understand friendly war as scheduling battles and confronts. Other than that, they're just friendly to each other
Diana Woods: I do not understand how the evil guilds will fit into this alliance
SegWatch: but their are guilds that would wait outside
Gargish Dragon: Renee, yes, thats the idea. SegWatch, I don't think its a good idea to have war with PK guilds at least not with a force like the Yew Militia please dont take this as an offense
SegWatch: But then that is wher guilds that are friendly come in?
Treadeau Du'rome: So what you are saying is that your militia cannot fight
Gargish Dragon: Treadeau, it deonst mean the Milita can't fight
Renee: The Militia is not a guild looking for fun. Wars for entertainment don't suit.
Gargish Dragon: I just see no point in declaring war to a PK guild
Renee: Well, I have one more thing..But you might be tired. I can leave for the next meeting if you wish.
Gargish Dragon: please ask
Renee: It consists on the availability of the Militia and guard posts. As it is, we're all very spread and handling personal business... How to know if one is on duty or not ? Well.. I propose that if we're on duty we all gather either here or a common place. And promote scheduled patrols. Currently, we don't answer calls too often.
Gargish Dragon: I would suggest using irc for this?
Renee: Well, I'd prefer to keep everyone in duty in one place. And from there try to organize things. Schedule patrols and answer calls.
Perianwyr: Perhaps a Militia Post? Hmm.... Does the Militia actually have a post?
Renee: That is my point. I've talked to the mayor to stablish three guards posts.
Gargish Dragon: Its something I can't answer actually
Renee: One in the cemetary, one next to the university, and one next to the tavern. Besides this one of course. I think we're way too unorganized spread apart yet... And it's difficult to find us. If you need the Militia, where should you run to ?
Silver Dryad: Perhaps a single post with locked down runes
Gargish Dragon: Renee, I know about that
Perianwyr: You shouldn't have to be a mage to be in the Militia
Renee: And if you get there ? Will it be worth to find everyone off duty ?
Perianwyr: Using recall runes will do that so you need real posts
Renee: Of course once uniforms are fully implemented, we'll know who's on duty. Well, we're too unorganized and "unofficial" in my opinion. To earn trust from everyone in the Yew area, we need a post.
Gargish Dragon: Actually,I am not sure if we have enough men for several posts
Renee: And people to patrol organizedly, and answer to call quickly. We can start with one.
Gargish Dragon: but having at least one post sounds like a good idea
Silver Dryad: I have many students who would join the malitia
Gargish Dragon: next week we will get lockdowns
Renee: I suggest we take note of everyone's game time and do a schedule.
Treadeau Du'rome: Ack one of them
Gargish Dragon: Hail Nikademus!
Seer Nikademus: Wowo Full house Did I interrupt something?
Gargish Dragon: Please have a seat, Nikademus
Renee: For that case, I'd like to see the captain, one sargeant and four privates... to be found on busy times during the week. And at least one officer in not busy hours.
Seer Nikademus: Nay, I didn ot mean to intrude
Gargish Dragon: We are still having the council meeting and you are of course welcome
Seer Nikademus: I'll leave ye alone Enjoy
Renee: Well, mayor, I'd say that organizing the Militia is not my duty. It's the captain's.
Gargish Dragon: Yes, as isnt mine exactly in fact, there was a Militia meeting earlier
Renee: But so far I see no result. Being like that I leave that as suggestion again. I was unable to attend.
Gargish Dragon: I havent been there, so I don't know what was decided
Renee: Well, we've had a patrol last night.
Gargish Dragon: Anyway, I want to wrap this up and just anounce the sugestion Vargen made
Renee: Aside from those who were with me, who actually can be informed of it ? With a headquarters to the Militia.. Other privates could read logs of patrols, and keep themselves informed.
Gargish Dragon: Oh, I think Keuldan started with something like reports, didn't he?
Renee: I don't think it's working currently.. Most because there are no "official" patrols. It's something like.."Hey, let's do a patrol. ". That's what I mean by "unnoficial. "/ Well, I have no ideas on how to handle that.
Gargish Dragon: You'll have to talk that over with the Captain
Renee: Did he decide on uniforms yet ?
Gargish Dragon: Please let me finish now so we can end the meeting soon Vargen suggested we hold general electens elections in the new year Which I think is a good idea As we decided before, we will do elections in-game this would then also be used for theelections in January Of course, we have to define the details but we still have some time to do that. Basically, thats all for me so unless you have a question about this I would end the meeting. Thank you for coming and staying Participants Lurik , Conan , Timothy , Santiago , Wrath III , Dorillion , Seer Nikademus , Lori , Diana Woods , Greywolf , Silver Dryad , Airagon , Omar T'ssarn, Keuldan Vraal, Silver Fox , Treadeau Du'rome , Perianwyr , Renee , Gargish Dragon , SegWatch
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