Fifth Yew Town Council Meeting

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Fifth Yew Town Council Meeting Yew Town Council Hall, 23-Oct-98 Keuldan Vraal: we could all take a seat we could begin

Vargen: Vraal, who is in chare of the Millitia guildstone?

Keuldan Vraal: Cass is

Vargen: thanks

Keuldan Vraal: please take a seat all and quiet down first of all thank you all for coming was anyone here at the last meeting?>

Council MeetingGreywolf: aye

Thrawn: the one before the fair?

Dorillion: getting Aiden

Greywolf: that was a ways back

Vargen: the last one here?

Dorillion: Kal Ort Por

Kybo Ren: I was at some of the fair

Lurik: *grrr...lag*

Keuldan Vraal: there was one last weekend yes?

Azuth Lifespring: hmm

Thrawn: could you stop casting please?

Keuldan Vraal: yes Cama please stop casting

Dorillion: going to get Aiden

Keuldan Vraal: well then let us begin

Kybo Ren: ?

Keuldan Vraal: as you know, one of our greatest goals with this town council is that we hope to someday have some real powers to govern recently we have had some breakthroughs

Azuth Lifespring: argh

Thrawn: oh? like what?

Keuldan Vraal: and it may very well be a possibility that player governments may have some real powers in game

Thrawn: *clap clap*

Azuth Lifespring: hmm can the gentleman over there wear some clothes please hehe

Greywolf: hurray

Keuldan Vraal: Thrawn i must apologise

Charlemagne: Do you need a robe?

Keuldan Vraal: i must be vague on the fine points

Thrawn: ahhh, it's understandable

Keuldan Vraal: our main problem is that we dont want a million fake councils popping up

Thrawn: *nod*

Keuldan Vraal: just for a grab of power

Azuth Lifespring: aye

Kybo Ren: aye

Santos the friar: What sorts of power?

Thrawn: I could see it now...

Kybo Ren: town control?

Keuldan Vraal: well i can tell you what we are asking for

Thrawn: "The Council of Pimp Daddys"

Keuldan Vraal: *grins* cama do you have some clothing?>

Greywolf: I read something about how new towns could come about and set up

Keuldan Vraal: im not used to public speaking next to nude men

Azuth Lifespring: hehe

Bene'Dryl: er...I am

Keuldan Vraal: *grins * thanks that will do

Greywolf: looking better

Dorillion: Kal Ort Por

Keuldan Vraal: Greywolf? you had something to say?

Greywolf: ah yes I read something on the YTC about how towns would be set up I don't know if anyone else have read it

Keuldan Vraal: oh the essay by dlome et al?

Kybo Ren: in this or T2A

Thrawn: ahh I saw it but did not reasd it yet

Keuldan Vraal: i suggest you all go and read it

Bene'Dryl: welcome aiden

Thrawn: yes, the proposal for townstones

Keuldan Vraal: it is under the town documents section

Aiden: Hail

Conan: hail

Vargen: I read it. it is a good beginning

Greywolf: yes it sounds really good

Treadeau Du'rome: mortals

Keuldan Vraal: let me outline something for you here is what we are asking for 3 things 1. the power to decorate 2. the power to punish and jail players 3. unique items to distinguish government officials

Kybo Ren: For jailed players would it be posible to escape?

Azuth Lifespring: hmm

Keuldan Vraal: does anyone thinks we are missing anything?

Thrawn: sounds reasonable.. though the jail thing would be tricky

Treadeau Du'rome: Your current judge is corrupt

Azuth Lifespring: aye..

Thrawn: *chuckle*

Conan: beer for everyone

Treadeau Du'rome: Putting laws in his hands is a mockery

Vargen: there shouldn't be a way to escape that works every time

Conan:

Keuldan Vraal: *grins at Treadeau*

Kybo Ren: ah

Greywolf: I agree that we should use the system I was thinking of

Thrawn: corrupt?

Santos the friar: Perhaps a sentence of time.

Greywolf: a ways back yea right

Keuldan Vraal: hahah perhaps

Kybo Ren: hail

Dorillion: Kal Ort Por

Xuri Dabur: *tuning lute*

Conan: oh no the tkb

Charlemagne: Hail!

Keuldan Vraal: well then

Azuth Lifespring: that kind of power... means that any changes in the government will be trouble some

Keuldan Vraal: let us discus possible abuses

Vargen: should someone invite the gentleman from Rivendell in?

Charlemagne: I have a major abuse!!

Azuth Lifespring: the "gods" will have to be called

Keuldan Vraal: as sir Du'ro suggest

Bene'Dryl: who is the judge? and why are they corrupt?

Azuth Lifespring: Azreal is the chief

Keuldan Vraal: Azreal is our high judge

Treadeau Du'rome: If you are to judge a person your judges must be able to look at all views

Charlemagne: Aye

Azuth Lifespring: true

Charlemagne: I for one am against player judging It wil always be unfari and curropt

Bene'Dryl: ansd the corruption charge?

Charlemagne: and a drain

Vargen: I was under the impression that all current positions were provisional until

Charlemagne: on OSI's time

Vargen: elections could be held

Treadeau Du'rome: Darkmoon refuses to hear the requests of the Ebon Skull

Keuldan Vraal: any ideas on how we could prevent corrupt judges?

Greywolf: all right full house

Charlemagne: Hail Rivendell!

Azuth Lifespring: well if no players can judge, that means the law is no longer our concern

Conan: hail

QwkBlade: Hail!

Bene'Dryl: aye

Gandalf: Hi all

Keuldan Vraal: Hello all

QwkBlade: Yew Militia!

Visca: Hail to the Militia!

QwkBlade: Sorry we were late...

Dorillion: some of it

Thrawn: and what would be wrong with a jury type court system?

QwkBlade: Hard time finding the place

Charlemagne:

Bene'Dryl: two things

Keuldan Vraal: *grins* glad you could make it yes Bene'Dryl?

Azuth Lifespring: have a seat plz

Bene'Dryl: first, how do you raise a jury...

Thrawn: simple

Bene'Dryl: and make sure it is representative

Charlemagne: Pleas take a seat

Thrawn: look around the room *smile*

QwkBlade: thanks

Charlemagne: np

Thrawn: I think it's a rather diverse crowd

Visca: Feel just a tad under m'Lord. Tis of no bother.

Bene'Dryl: 2nd...if it is the same people over and over, that is no less chance for corruption

Visca: *grins*

Thrawn: all with the generally good intentions of Yew in mind

Visca: my thanks

Keuldan Vraal: good intentions is a very subjective thing

Bene'Dryl: better off with a triumverate

Charlemagne: My main criticism...

Treadeau Du'rome: Judging people by false virtues will not be tolerated by the undead

Thrawn: *chuckle*

Bene'Dryl: er...

Visca: *smiles*

Bene'Dryl: hello glad to meet you

Charlemagne: Is how to select a jury

Bene'Dryl: want to stay on topic?

Santos the friar: What do the undead care for the living, sir?

Keuldan Vraal: see what i mean *gestures to Du'rome

Thrawn: and the stenhc of your rotting flesh offends me, what's your point?

Gandalf: Yea

Thrawn: *smile*

Keuldan Vraal: ahh look

Gandalf: I have no clu what is going on...

Keuldan Vraal: there is the man now

Charlemagne: It would be wuite impossibele To raise a jusry

Bene'Dryl: neither does our undead friend

Charlemagne: With any sort of regualrity

Gandalf: Undead?

Thrawn: well

Keuldan Vraal: i suppse we can start over again

Charlemagne: or consistency

Thrawn: how often do we have trials?

Charlemagne: Perhaps I am the only relaist here

Keuldan Vraal: Hail good mayor!!!

Xuri Dabur: If I may suggest...

Thrawn: it is not an every day occurence

Gargish Dragon: Greetings

Xuri Dabur: One speak at the time!?

QwkBlade: Hail Mayor!

Charlemagne: But I see this as being very hard to impliment

Xuri Dabur: Evening Mayor

Vargen: In order for any justice system to be fair

Treadeau Du'rome: Yew is home to our Necropolis

Gargish Dragon: I am terribly sorry that I am late

Santos the friar: Indeed?

Keuldan Vraal: quiet all

Vargen: most of the mechanisms would likely have to take place on the etherial web

Keuldan Vraal: gargish i began a discussion on possible town empowerment

Bene'Dryl: and it provides a fine hunting ground...thank you

Charlemagne: I was just saying

Thrawn: we were debating the justice system

Charlemagne: That i see player judges and juries as next to impossible to impiment impliment

Keuldan Vraal: aye they would be difficult indeed

Santos the friar: They would be overworked, for one thing.

Charlemagne: Perhaps I am being too much of a realist, but it seems that our time, and OSI's would be better spent on other issues

Gandalf: Corruption would rule!

Xuri Dabur: unless the ones charged are willing to come...and take the punishment

Charlemagne: Yeah, right.

Thrawn: and sometimes they are

Treadeau Du'rome: Corruption already rules this would only make it worse

Bene'Dryl: the rate of decay of dead bodies, for instance

Keuldan Vraal: if I may....

Gandalf: Yes...bribes would be king..

Charlemagne: let us stay on the even knell that we have establiushed

Thrawn: bribes? I doubt that

Charlemagne: That is all

Thrawn: a Court has always been part of the plan for the Council

Bene'Dryl: Azuth could you change your speech color

Lurik: nay, a court system is feasible, if it is to govern yourselves and not the general poulace

Charlemagne: Perhaps the court should only try internal people

Bene'Dryl: hard to read in journal

Charlemagne: Exactly

Gandalf: If we want justice we must have a system based on witnisses and screens!

Vargen: we should ask the gods for some method of secure voting

Charlemagne: Only Militia and town

Thrawn: that is the ide

Xuri Dabur: Hm what about

Charlemagne: should be judged

Keuldan Vraal: aye, it hink if we keep out laws very simple it would be feasable

Greywolf: yes town citizens

Xuri Dabur: letting all citizens of Yew

Thrawn: asurely we could not try those who refused to acknowledge the charges

Xuri Dabur: swear an oath.

Bene'Dryl: worse

Xuri Dabur: They can still be made outcast of the community...sort of

Santos the friar: And yet, it is not the citizens who are criminals.

Thrawn: have you been reading the discussion board?

Aiden: Farewell, I must eat.

Bene'Dryl: though I do like lavender

Charlemagne: \*nods*

Thrawn: about possible charges against Ibn Shaun and Homer?

Keuldan Vraal: how about this

Bene'Dryl: that is good thanks

Keuldan Vraal: simple charges may be dealth with on the spot

Thrawn: Ibn said he would defend his case..

Treadeau Du'rome: Perhaps you would just wish to put the whole FoA on trial

Charlemagne: Yes

Gandalf: HAHAHAH

Keuldan Vraal: more difficult ones would have to be dealth with in court

Charlemagne: you are attacking him for a role-playing choice

Thrawn: *chuckle*

Gandalf: The FoA is mostly NPSs....

Vargen: shouldn't we decide what actions are specificly considered criminal before

Thrawn: I am not attacking him

Gandalf: cs

Charlemagne: This makes it must more complicated well

Gandalf: I mean

Charlemagne: trying him

Vargen: we can work out the best way to enforce them

Greywolf: and that choice would have to be dealt with in court

Charlemagne: Yes

Treadeau Du'rome: The Ebon Skull will not tolerate her allies to be put on trial

Bene'Dryl: being a pk is not a roleplaying choice

Charlemagne: We mmust not try him agaisnt a law that has not been writen

Gandalf: Its a stupid profession...

Vargen: even if it would prove their innocence ?

Thrawn: so you do not think that by aiding Martoo's escape, he impaired the duty of the

Keuldan Vraal: Gentlemen please!!

Xuri Dabur: Hm I am not updated here..what is his...."crime"?

Charlemagne: See!!!

Thrawn: Militia?

Bene'Dryl: then the ebon skull needs to get over it

Keuldan Vraal: we are getting off course here!!

Charlemagne: This is exactly what we did not wnat to happen@ !

Santos the friar: *chuckles*

Charlemagne: Now we must become politically aligned!

Thrawn: *laugh*

Charlemagne: Cnat you see the disaster tha twill follow! Can you?

Keuldan Vraal: we must keep ourselves focused

Thrawn: no

Kybo Ren: This is getting out of hand

Keuldan Vraal: right now we are simply talking about petty thieves

Gandalf: May I speak?

Charlemagne: But see It is all linked togehter

Keuldan Vraal: not plots to destroy the world

Charlemagne: *shuts mouth*

Vargen: won't the royal guards be returning stolen goods soon?

Treadeau Du'rome: As long as mortals breath there will be thieves

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Thrawn: yes, Vargen

Keuldan Vraal: yes Treadeau there will be

Xuri Dabur: But what about out of town area?

Thrawn: but there are areas of Yew the guards do not protect

Gargish Dragon: We must see that there are obvious criems that require immediate action

Keuldan Vraal: and as long as we breathe there will be those who try to stop them

Kybo Ren: that is why we must find the right hands

Gargish Dragon: and those that must be brought to a trial

Gandalf: THe current justice is inadequate!People murder and loot and steall everywhere

Vargen: then that falls to the millitia

Gandalf: And NOTHIGN is done about it

Bene'Dryl: I am with Gandalf

Gandalf: THe world id tuled by evil!

Keuldan Vraal: let us break this down

Vargen: not true, we're here aren't we?

Santos the friar: The problem stems from an absence of Virtue.

Gandalf: If ANYTHIGN is to be done

Charlemagne: I am with Treadeu

Keuldan Vraal: quiet all please

Gandalf: WE MUST doi it TOGETHER

Xuri Dabur: The jails is the problem. They are not in use. oops

Treadeau Du'rome: The false virtues of Lord British

Bene'Dryl: why is Treadeu here?

Gandalf: False?

Charlemagne: *claps for Tredeuau!! *

Treadeau Du'rome: The false virtues of Lord British is what corrupts this land

Charlemagne: Hail Comrade!!

Gargish Dragon: What is false about the virtues? The virtues in itself are hardly false

Charlemagne: Speak the truth!

Bene'Dryl: the virtues of Lord British define this land

Xuri Dabur: Treadeau!

Gandalf: YOu are insulting my very was of life...

Keuldan Vraal: *rubs head*

Xuri Dabur: No one follows the virtues.

Treadeau Du'rome: If you wish to cleanse the land then you destroy his virtues

Xuri Dabur: NO ONE

Gandalf: way

Xuri Dabur: That is the problem.

Santos the friar: Destroy compassion? Destroy Justice?

Charlemagne: The virtues have done nothing!

Bene'Dryl: and Justice???

Charlemagne: they are worthless!

Xuri Dabur: Destroy that which is not in use?

Vargen: alright, the current system stinks, what would you replace it with?

Treadeau Du'rome: Destroy compassion justice spirituality

Charlemagne: Hollow oaths!

Treadeau Du'rome: Destroy all things

Santos the friar: Would that we all followed these hollow oaths.

Treadeau Du'rome: Only in Oblivion can things live

Keuldan Vraal: ENOUGH!!!!!

Charlemagne: that will never happen

Gandalf: sorry

Kybo Ren: ?

Gargish Dragon: Stop it

Gandalf: wrong buton

Keuldan Vraal: STOP YOUR PETTY YAPPING!

Gargish Dragon: this is distracting

Keuldan Vraal: *blushes*

Treadeau Du'rome: Petty?

Gandalf: edge

Charlemagne: *glares*

Keuldan Vraal: no please try to control yourselves

Bene'Dryl: yes petty!

Thrawn: you can preach about British and his virtues another time

Xuri Dabur: *tries to calm the crows*

Keuldan Vraal: thank you Xuri this is not a meeting for virtues discussion we are trying to get ideas for a better way of running this town

Treadeau Du'rome: We are citizens of this city

Keuldan Vraal: please try to limit yourselves to that topic yes you are Du'rome

Treadeau Du'rome: I thought we all had our say in how things are ran

Bene'Dryl: you are a blight on these fair forests!!!

Greywolf: Ok I read that this meeting will be about making laws for the community

Vargen: I thought your city was on the ice island

Charlemagne: Yes, lets stay On topic.

Keuldan Vraal: but try to stay on topic

Greywolf: Fines and Imprisonment

Xuri Dabur: Keuldan...If I my suggest something.

Keuldan Vraal: Yes Xuri

Treadeau Du'rome: To establish laws you must decide whos laws you are going to use as a standard

Xuri Dabur: The ONE who speaks, rise. Noone speaks until he is seated.

Vargen: our own

Charlemagne: yes

Greywolf: and possible future player controlled law enforcement

Keuldan Vraal: aye if you do not have the floor then please be quiet

Vargen: that's why we're here

Dorillion: Edge

Charlemagne: It returns to the LB/ L Black argument

Edge Dragon: I have gotten the news, Dorllion My apologies.

Gandalf: WTF

Keuldan Vraal: gentlemen....

Edge Dragon: Aye

Keuldan Vraal: let me say soemthing

Edge Dragon: Sir Galahad had conferred with me.

Gandalf: Edge

Keuldan Vraal: player empowerment is most likely on its way

Edge Dragon: And it's been taken care of.

Keuldan Vraal: if we cannot come to a concensus on this then it will be decided by a handful of players

Bene'Dryl: so long as power is in the hands of killers and theives

Keuldan Vraal: so please try to be as civil as possible here

Bene'Dryl: there is no empowerment

Keuldan Vraal: that is what wer are trying to change

Santos the friar: *nods*

Keuldan Vraal: now then

Greywolf: aye first we must make some laws and have them put in a ballot for all to vote

Keuldan Vraal: please raise your hand before you wish to speak and i shall call on you in turn

Charlemagne: *nods*

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Greywolf: *nods*

QwkBlade: *nods*

Keuldan Vraal: does anyone wish to start again?

Greywolf: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: Greywolf

Greywolf: ok

Gandalf: He started it

Greywolf: first this meeting was supposed to be about making laws

Edge Dragon: *nods.*

Gandalf: I was jsut standind there

Xuri Dabur: psst...rise

Gandalf: and all the sudden boom

Greywolf: so like I was saying we should work on that then put them in the ballot for people to vote done

Keuldan Vraal: aye ok then that is a very good idea in order to inforce soemthing we must have laws

Treadeau Du'rome: *raises his hand*

Keuldan Vraal: Treadeau

Treadeau Du'rome: Who will decide which laws are put on this ballot?

Keuldan Vraal: we will decide here and now

Gandalf: sorry wrong one

Edge Dragon: Gandalf we're working on the guard duties.

Treadeau Du'rome: And if one of us objects to one of these laws?

Keuldan Vraal: then you may vote against it

Gandalf: Ive been guarding the city

Bene'Dryl: *raises hand*

Treadeau Du'rome: Who will decide that the minority of thought is represented? I am through for now

Keuldan Vraal: Bene'Dryl?

Gandalf: Why not/

Bene'Dryl: we have allowed Trudy here to dominate this discussion

Gandalf: I can HEY

Keuldan Vraal: *grin*

Bene'Dryl: the purpose of laws is to keep the few from disrupting the many Treadeu has said his people will not accept the laws that are made why is he still here?

Treadeau Du'rome: Who protects the few?

Keuldan Vraal: Dryl we must be fair to his opinion at least. if he doesnt like the way things turn out then

Bene'Dryl: aye, we must...if he is fair to ours

Keuldan Vraal: like my old mama used to say. "tough titty"

Bene'Dryl: I have not seen that

Vargen: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Varen

Treadeau Du'rome: Two of my question have went unanswered

Keuldan Vraal: ill get back to you Trudy yes Vargen?

Vargen: I hear Tredeau critisizing our laws before we can even make them

QwkBlade: plz..my seat..

Vargen: and he offers no alternatives to anything we have discussed

Treadeau Du'rome: I have offered

Vargen: Oblivion?

Xuri Dabur: *chuckles*

Charlemagne: people

Treadeau Du'rome: Yes

Xuri Dabur: *nods to Lamorak*

Keuldan Vraal: aye he has and we will give him our ear along with our answer

Charlemagne: this is getting us nowhere

Keuldan Vraal: wether he likes it or not

Lamorak: *nods*

Treadeau Du'rome: Oblivion must have her say

Keuldan Vraal: Aye charlemagne is correct.... please quiet down

Vargen: I say that she has

Treadeau Du'rome: If not then your whole foolish system is truly corrupt

Vargen: and we should move on

Keuldan Vraal: this is the final say on Trudy and Oblivion! listen to me well! You sir may have your say and we will lend you and honest ear

Lurik: *wonders if the bite of his silver longsword will give the undead the say he wishes for*

Keuldan Vraal: but if you do not like our outcome

Gargish Dragon: Lurik, quiet!

Keuldan Vraal: then there is nothing you can do it is simple as that

Treadeau Du'rome: But if we are not represented by your government Then your whole system is false

Keuldan Vraal: if you wish you may go and start you own damn government

Treadeau Du'rome: You promise representation by all

Keuldan Vraal: now quit whining and try to contribute\

Bene'Dryl: if you choose to live outside the system

Greywolf: *raises hand*

Bene'Dryl: then you take the consequences

Keuldan Vraal: jsut a se Gry just a sec Grey let us focus on this we need to decide a basic law system and indeed this does go into the matter of our basic beliefs

Thrawn: there was a good proposal sent out to a gew prospective judges

Keuldan Vraal: Trudy here thinks its fine to chop people up

Dorillion: thanks thee

Keuldan Vraal: most of us here dont

Kybo Ren: aye

Treadeau Du'rome: I have not said such a thing

Keuldan Vraal: so there is quite a bit of room for debate

Xuri Dabur: Destroy all?

Thrawn: not sure who wrote it... or why it hasnt been made public for consideration...

Treadeau Du'rome: Your head judge is corrupt

Keuldan Vraal: now then

Treadeau Du'rome: I have said this before

Lamorak: I do not see him

Keuldan Vraal: Trudy please be quiet!

Bene'Dryl: again with the corrupt judge

Keuldan Vraal: now then!

Bene'Dryl: place your proof on the table or shut up

Keuldan Vraal: let us begin with our basic laws the table is now open

Visca: *pulls out a new quill to write with*

Keuldan Vraal: please raise your hand to be recognized

Greywolf: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: GreyWolf

Santos the friar: *!!!*

Greywolf: one of the first laws that should be discussed is killing of course

Keuldan Vraal: ok then

Greywolf: outside of the town

Keuldan Vraal: killing it is hmmm

Greywolf: we would still need to make up somekind of duty roster for the militia

Keuldan Vraal: let us constrain this to the inside of our borders for now

Greywolf: at sometime

Keuldan Vraal: that is in the works

Vargen: *raises hand*

Gandalf: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Vargen

Vargen: when you say inside our borders... do you mean Yew proper, or the greater Yew area?

Keuldan Vraal: for now just the guarded area

Gandalf: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Gandalf?

Gandalf: I must say one of the mos disgusting crmes is looting People who die

Furor: Kal Ort Por

Gandalf: are visciously stripped naked

Keuldan Vraal: let us deal with killing first

Gandalf: in a matter of SECONDS

Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*

Gandalf: Ithey go hand in hand

Keuldan Vraal: do we all agree that unprovoked killing is unlawful?

Gandalf: Yes

Xuri Dabur: Aye

Santos the friar: Aye.

Thrawn: of course

Greywolf: aye

Vargen: aye

Kybo Ren: aye

Gargish Dragon: Sure

Bene'Dryl: indeed

QwkBlade: *nods*

Treadeau Du'rome: You speak of killing.. I would like a definition of unlawful killing

Edge Dragon: *nods*

Xuri Dabur: *laughs*

Vargen: for once, I agree with him

Thrawn: *looks for the bouncers*

Santos the friar: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: i think under the current guards protection this is well taken care of

Bene'Dryl: nay

Charlemagne: yes

Keuldan Vraal: BeneDryl?

Bene'Dryl: there are those who kill with trapped trunks and the like

Keuldan Vraal: ahhhh

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Greywolf: Basically I was talking out of the town guards reach but in the Greater Yew ar

Bene'Dryl: preying on the innocent and unaware

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Bene'Dryl: or who provoke fights to gain a guard killing

Vargen: *raises hand*

Gandalf: Fare thee well.

Dark Knight: scuse me Edge

Keuldan Vraal: so then gentlemen should we outlaw the constuction of these boxes?

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Bene'Dryl: these too are murders

Dark Knight: I would like to get through that door

Charlemagne: well

Vargen: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Xuri?

Treadeau Du'rome: *raise his hand*

Charlemagne: only with intent to kill

Xuri Dabur: Outlawing of the boxes could do the trick

Charlemagne: they could be used for trapping

Xuri Dabur: But we could also inform the innocent and weak of these traps.

Keuldan Vraal: good point.

Xuri Dabur: somehow.

Keuldan Vraal: well then law number one to be voted on should be the outlawing of trapped boxes

Treadeau Du'rome: These boxes

Bene'Dryl: placement of a trapped chest in a public place

Keuldan Vraal: withing Yew of course

Greywolf: agreed

Treadeau Du'rome: Your laws will allow them within houses?

Bene'Dryl: is at best reckless endangerment

Gandalf: it should

Keuldan Vraal: quiet please Benedryl and Trudy have a good point perhaps we should change that to placing of trapped boxes in public areas

Treadeau Du'rome: I have another point

Keuldan Vraal: yes Trudy?

Treadeau Du'rome: Who is going to prosecute the fool who opens the box?

Keuldan Vraal: he prosecutes himself

Bene'Dryl: ahem...

Visca: *smiles*

Treadeau Du'rome: They are as much responsible as the trapper

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: no they are not

Xuri Dabur: nevermind

Keuldan Vraal: yes Xury

Bene'Dryl: the INNOCENT who opens the box is not to be prosecuted

Xuri Dabur: *chuckles*

Keuldan Vraal: ok

Gandalf: *looks dazed*

Lurik: *raises hand*

Treadeau Du'rome: Would it have went off if they did not open the box?

Vargen: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: Trudy did you raise your hand????!?! I DIDNT THINK SO

Treadeau Du'rome: I have several times now

Keuldan Vraal: let us move on stealing perhaps?

Gargish Dragon: I have a question

Charlemagne: hmm

Xuri Dabur: *listens*

Keuldan Vraal: gargish

Gargish Dragon: regarding the boxes

Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*

Gandalf: *raises hand*

Gargish Dragon: We defined public as in the guarded Yew area..

Treadeau Du'rome: You say you protect the peasents... What about the peasent that steal for food

Gargish Dragon: but I think we should include all public areas in Greater Yew

Treadeau Du'rome: Are you going to perscute these fools?

Xuri Dabur: *sighs at treadeau*

Keuldan Vraal: TRUDY NO ONE CALLED ON YOU!

Bene'Dryl: the INNOCENT who steals for food

Keuldan Vraal: one more time and im putting you on ignore

Bene'Dryl: might be exempt

Gargish Dragon: I don't see much of a difference between the Abbey and the Serpent Cross Tavern

Charlemagne: plesae calm down 8raises hand *

Keuldan Vraal: good point Gargish

Gandalf: *raises hand*

Gargish Dragon: regarding how killing or trapping should be handled

Dorillion: going to hit the bed see you all Kal Ort Por

Gargish Dragon: I'm finished

Keuldan Vraal: perhaps we could outlaw the placement of boxes only in public areas as in not your own house

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Gandalf: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Ganldaf

Gandalf: there are 2 thief types the needy and the greedy

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Gandalf: the greedy thiefs that roam our countryside show no mercy I was once trraining out of town and I lost 3k in regs in all of 10 seconds to thiefs they must be stopped

Keuldan Vraal: well then are we ready to move on to stealing?

Kybo Ren: aye

Greywolf: aye

Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Trudy

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Treadeau Du'rome: Who will be judging the Greedy from the Needy?

Keuldan Vraal: no one

Treadeau Du'rome: And who says this judge is not greedy?

Kybo Ren: judge

Keuldan Vraal: yes Xuri

Bene'Dryl: *raises hand*

Xuri Dabur: ah hyes yes actually there are three types of thiefs, if not more

Azuth Lifespring: im leaving good day

Xuri Dabur: the greedy the needy

Keuldan Vraal: good day Zuth

Xuri Dabur: and those who do it for no reason.

Vargen: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Vargen?

Xuri Dabur: not that it matters.

Vargen: I would like us to make it official that this whole business is going to involve a certain amount of trust on ALL our parts

Bene'Dryl: trust in what and by who?

Keuldan Vraal: it certainly will

Greywolf: *nods*

Vargen: and any assumptions to the contrary should be dismissed

Keuldan Vraal: what are your thoughts on jailing thieves instead of instant death?

Xuri Dabur: *rising hand*

Bene'Dryl: jail the ghosts

Keuldan Vraal: Xuri

Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*

Xuri Dabur: Jailing thieves would be far more convenient The theives would

Kybo Ren: where would we jail them?

Xuri Dabur: be taken away from the area for a while instead of

Gandalf: Death is too good for them...

Xuri Dabur: be back in two minutes. Most of the thieves inside town limits wear nothing at all so they do not loose anything by dying except the chance to steal again. -

Bene'Dryl: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: aye

QwkBlade: *nods*

Keuldan Vraal: Trudy

QwkBlade: true

Treadeau Du'rome: Why does the thief deserve death? YOu say you grant justice for all But where is the thief's justice?

Greywolf: *sighs*

Xuri Dabur: *confused look on face*

Keuldan Vraal: this is what we are trying to provide the thief takes

Greywolf: BRB

Keuldan Vraal: he has to give back if caught and is punished for trying to steal

Treadeau Du'rome: How is he punished?

Keuldan Vraal: by jailtime or death

Gandalf: I gotta go...Edge I need to ask you a quick question outside

Treadeau Du'rome: What does jailtime accomplish?

Bene'Dryl: ooh ooh ooh

Keuldan Vraal: it would keep him from stealing again for a small amount of time

Bene'Dryl: let me answer that one

Treadeau Du'rome: You think he will learn his lesson?

Keuldan Vraal: and also keep him out of game for a bit i think it will server better than and instand death by a guard

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Treadeau Du'rome: Do thieves today learn when they are killed?

Keuldan Vraal: i dont intend to rid the world of thieves

Bene'Dryl: *RAISES HAND*

Keuldan Vraal: i simply want to make them have to play the game a bit more realistically yes BeneDryl?

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Bene'Dryl: the reality of Britannia is that the only thing that is really of worth is time

Edge Dragon: *nods*

Bene'Dryl: it is all that we really have that is tangible when I am killed, what I am robbed of is time

Keuldan Vraal: perhaps not the only thing but one of the greatest certainly

Bene'Dryl: the time to be ressed the time to replace what was stolen

Thrawn: I must be going

Gargish Dragon: There is a certain proportion between gold and time

Keuldan Vraal: good day thrawn

Thrawn: (hope someone else logs the rest)

Bene'Dryl: jail the thief, and you take from him the only thing he has of real worth

Charlemagne: Anyone else logging?

Keuldan Vraal: is anyone else taking a log if this meeting?

Charlemagne: Farewell!

Xuri Dabur: Farewell Charlemagne

Keuldan Vraal: good day charlemagne

Gargish Dragon: I am logging

Keuldan Vraal: good day gargish

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Edge Dragon: No guards?

Keuldan Vraal: we will end the meeting soon

Gargish Dragon: No, I am logging the meeting

Keuldan Vraal: ahhh

Bene'Dryl: guess my pooint was not very scintillating

Keuldan Vraal: *grins* yes BeneDryl you point is ver valid

Lurik: Bene your point was the best made all meeting *chuckles*

Vargen: *smile*

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Keuldan Vraal: time is quite the common demoninator in this game

Gargish Dragon: *agreed*

Keuldan Vraal: so then

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: do you think it would be safe to give players the power to jail criminals?

Xuri Dabur: Aye

Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*

Bene'Dryl: depends who the players are

Vargen: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: what would you do Xuri if Trudy here had that power?

Lurik: only certain players for example militia members

Xuri Dabur: Well What I think Is that there should be some sort

Visca: *chuckles*

Xuri Dabur: of voting system.

Vargen: Aye

Xuri Dabur: Split the power It has been done for 200 years (RL) now.. and it seems to work

Visca: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Visca?

Visca: If I might ask, are you discussing laws, or punishments now?

Keuldan Vraal: at this point they are going hand in hand but you are right

Visca: for it seems to me there is a simple law that might fit all.

Keuldan Vraal: we should get back to the laws what law is that?

Visca: the punishment however, would take much discussion tis the law of harm. Do aught that you wish, provided that you do no harm

Edge Dragon: I am broke myself.

Visca: to others. Property and health are viable, measureable aspects.

Edge Dragon: Since Sunday

Visca: loss of those can be measured.

Keuldan Vraal: *thinks* certainly a simple perspective I do like the idea

Wilmot: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Wilmot

Wilmot: what about harrassment?

Bene'Dryl: yes what about it?

Wilmot: how can we judge?

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand to reply*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Xuri

Xuri Dabur: For verbal harrassment For other harrassment, call GM

Wilmot: *nods*

Xuri Dabur: no other way -

Keuldan Vraal: aye i do not think the town should get into that area

Visca: *feels a chill*

Wilmot: *nods*

Bene'Dryl: the GM's are uselss in harrassment issues

Keuldan Vraal: let us please continue with stealing

Bene'Dryl: they do not wish to get involved

Vargen: *raises hand*

Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Vargen?

Vargen: with regards to harrassment The best thing we can do is create a stron sense of community

Keuldan Vraal: certainly

Vargen: a single person is far less annoying when you are among friends

Bene'Dryl: I disagree

Keuldan Vraal: Trudy?

Treadeau Du'rome: I will ask that you let Bal speak His point was better than mine

Lurik: heh

Keuldan Vraal: Bal? *wonders if Bal is there*

Bene'Dryl: may I respond?

Keuldan Vraal: yes dryl?

Vargen: *raises hand to respond*

Bene'Dryl: I have, as our commander knows witnessed VERY first hand how GM's will ignore issues of harrassment

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand* hm nevermind

Edge Dragon: and tell them your opinion

Bene'Dryl: hate speech is not subjective, it is an abomination

QwkBlade: ?!

Keuldan Vraal: agreed Bene'Dryl but that is not in our realm of jurisdiction though i think i wouldnt mind it being there I know quite a few people who could use some jailtime

Bene'Dryl: the "gods" are corrupt and biased

Greywolf: aye

QwkBlade: *nods*

Keuldan Vraal: once again let us continue on with out discussion on stealing.

Greywolf: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: does anyone have any suggestions on laws for stealing?

Bene'Dryl: no, I speak from first hand experience long and bitter

Vargen: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: Vargen?

Bene'Dryl: are you a "god" during other hours?

Keuldan Vraal: *wishes he was*

Vargen: what more is there to say other than stealing is illegal without getting into...

Bene'Dryl: is this proof of the rumor that GM's run evil characters in their down time?

Vargen: the issue of punishment?

Keuldan Vraal: agreed Vargen let us say

Bene'Dryl: I serve the Goddess, Lady Justice, and YOU would do well to heed her call

Keuldan Vraal: benedryl please

QwkBlade: *looks annoyed*

Keuldan Vraal: thank you Xuri let us say

Xuri Dabur: *smiles*

Keuldan Vraal: theft is illegal simple enough ?

QwkBlade: *nods*

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Keuldan Vraal: or is it....

Vargen: aye

Edge Dragon: Nay

Treadeau Du'rome: What type of theft is illegal?

Xuri Dabur: ?

QwkBlade: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: well Trudy what kind of theft is there?

Silver Fox: *coughs*

Keuldan Vraal: hello Silver

Silver Fox: Hail

Xuri Dabur: *nods to Silver Fox*

Lamorak: Silver

Silver Fox: Forgive my tardiness

Keuldan Vraal: take a seat

Gargish Dragon: Please have a seat

Silver Fox: Thank ye

Treadeau Du'rome: There are those of you who steal for food and those who steal for greed

Xuri Dabur: But don't take it with you when you leave

Vargen: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: haha

Lamorak: I have yet to see a thief steal a loaf of bread

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Silver Fox: *pats shoulder*

Keuldan Vraal: yes but Trudy we are not concerned with motive

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand eagerly*

Greywolf: true

Keuldan Vraal: Xuri?

Vargen: regarding those who steal for need

Xuri Dabur: I have a question for Treadeau....

Vargen: fulfill that need

Xuri Dabur: Do you mean to say that we should allow theft of need?

Treadeau Du'rome: Then this town wishes to offer all people 100,000 gold pieces?

Vargen: no one need that much

Keuldan Vraal: a tricky subject indeed

Visca: *raises hand*

Lurik: *chuckles * I payed 85 gold for twenty shafts because a poor citizen was in

Keuldan Vraal: i dont think Yew needs a welfare system

Lurik: need of money

Vargen: nor do I, but...

Xuri Dabur: A church is under construction.

Bene'Dryl: we have all helped those new to the land

Vargen: should someone be without any money or possesions I would give them an axe to cut wood for money

Keuldan Vraal: please raise your hands gentlement

Vargen: help them get on their feet, not give a handout

Keuldan Vraal: err men

Bene'Dryl: or possible the followers of the Ebon Skull do not do this?

Keuldan Vraal: *grins at Dryl* we are going to have to seperate you two Gargish why didnt we make the Royal carpenter make us a penalty seat?

Xuri Dabur: *chuckles*

Gargish Dragon: *smiles*

Keuldan Vraal: let me raise this question

QwkBlade: *smiles*

Gargish Dragon: Isincerely hope we can do without

Keuldan Vraal: what about those who have the habit of snatching runes fromt he ground is this theft?

Bene'Dryl: kill them then jail them

Wilmot: it is

Xuri Dabur: *scratches beard(what beard)*

Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Trudy

Gargish Dragon: This may also be extended for items used for festivals or similar

Treadeau Du'rome: You are the fool who puts it on the ground

Vargen: the problem is the over-reliance on runic travel

Silver Fox: *nods with Trudy* *nods with Vargen*

Keuldan Vraal: hmmm

Silver Fox: *nods with Vraal*

Xuri Dabur: *nods from almost falling asleep*

Keuldan Vraal: this is a sticky point

Bene'Dryl: Silver, are you developing palsy?

Keuldan Vraal: hahah

Silver Fox: Bobbing head doll syndrome, sorry

Vargen: *laugh*

Greywolf: *raises hand*

Xuri Dabur: noddy

Keuldan Vraal: yes GreyWolf?

QwkBlade: haha

Greywolf: I was thinking how about snooping?

Vargen: *nod*

Greywolf: I mean it does get annoying when people are snooping while your trying

Silver Fox: *nod*

Greywolf: to do a transactio with a vendor

Silver Fox: *raises a hand*

Bene'Dryl: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: perhaps we could give the guards the ability to jail after exessive snooping?

Greywolf: I would say at least no snooping in buildings

Keuldan Vraal: silver fox?

QwkBlade: Aye

Silver Fox: Although Britsh's guards do not consider snooping a crime I think it's a personal assault

Greywolf: it's like soneone looking inside of your wallot

Visca: *hands Edge a pipe and tabac pouch*

Vargen: British does not consider snooping a crime worthy of death

Xuri Dabur: *cough*

Silver Fox: Well, when there's only one punishment...

Vargen: we are proposing an alternative punishment

Greywolf: aye

Lamorak: Flogging?

Keuldan Vraal: very good point Varten

Xuri Dabur: jail

Bene'Dryl: ooh ooh ooh

Silver Fox: Jail time would be wonderful for snoops

Keuldan Vraal: err Vargen Dryl?

Visca: *raises hand*

Silver Fox: *glances at Dak*

Keuldan Vraal: Visca?

Bene'Dryl: I have one question...especially in reference to jail time

Keuldan Vraal: sorry yes dryl?

Bene'Dryl: will the GM's support this?

Keuldan Vraal: we are hoping that will be possible

Silver Fox: Cool

Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: for now we will assume that yes it is feasable

QwkBlade: That's a good Question

Vargen: let Visca speak

Visca: It would seem to me that the reintroduction of an ancient punishment would fit.

Gargish Dragon: At least it might be if we come up with a good solution

Keuldan Vraal: to make the conversation run smoothly we will not debate on wether they will or wont

Visca: the public stocks for thieving and excessive snooping.. and harrasement.

Greywolf: aye

Xuri Dabur: *rises foot*

Vargen: public jail... I like it...

Treadeau Du'rome: ooc

QwkBlade: *nods w/ Visca*

Bene'Dryl: who gives a pk the right to limit mine?

Vargen:

Keuldan Vraal: Trudy im not sure

Vargen: our playing time

Xuri Dabur: *rises right foot*

Keuldan Vraal: but as you see here there are many rights that are just there... Xuri

Silver Fox: I would presume that the elected officials would set the jail times for crimes

Vargen: OSI can give us the right; it's their game

Xuri Dabur: what about making all criminals run 50 times around Abbey

Greywolf: it's part of life

Xuri Dabur: *smiles*

Keuldan Vraal: ahahah

QwkBlade: They could haul my Ore...

Silver Fox: So they'd be physically fit criminals?

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Keuldan Vraal: *grins* gentlemen please where were we?

Xuri Dabur: in Yew

Greywolf: snooping

Keuldan Vraal: oh yes thank you

Gargish Dragon: snooping

Keuldan Vraal: snooping in Yew

Silver Fox: Who determines jail time was the question, I believe

Keuldan Vraal: we shall for now make it a criminal offence?

Gargish Dragon: Me thinks the victim should have the right to defend

Bene'Dryl: how can jail time be enforced is the issue

Keuldan Vraal: or will if we ever have the power let us leave it at the fact taht we concider it a crime

Vargen: regarding snooping

Keuldan Vraal: the punishment we can decide later agreed?

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Greywolf: sounds good

Silver Fox: *nods*

Keuldan Vraal: Xuri?

Xuri Dabur: exessive snooping? What about GM snoopers? They snoop once and woosh

Keuldan Vraal: yes and we dont know that they do

Xuri Dabur: Define exessive snooping first i think.

Keuldan Vraal: so we cannont punish them

Wilmot: *nods*

Greywolf: more than once is excessive

Xuri Dabur: ok

Keuldan Vraal: we can define excessive at a later date also

Vargen: *nod*

Greywolf: *nods*

Keuldan Vraal: let us think again on item snatching from the ground

Bene'Dryl: it is heinous

Visca: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: yes Visca?

Bene'Dryl: but essentially not prosecutable

Visca: I believe you've already set the precedent for that

Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: we did not come to a decision

Visca: with the law on trapped boxes in public places

Gargish Dragon: What *might* be needed is a way for people to regard ownership of an item

Visca: that assumes that innocents will pick up things on the ground

Gargish Dragon: at least as long the owner is around

Vargen: good point

Visca: *looks slightly ill at being a lawyer like person*

Silver Fox: *raises hand*

Bene'Dryl: *raises hand*

Xuri Dabur: make picking up items from ground illegal *chuckles* oops forgot hand

Keuldan Vraal: yes Silver?

Xuri Dabur: sorry

Silver Fox: There is very little reason to leave an item on the ground It should be fair game

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Keuldan Vraal: Benedryl?

Bene'Dryl: the issue arose due to runes

Gargish Dragon: (if I may remind you of Ultima Underworld, where every item had an "owner")

Bene'Dryl: this is about the only reason for putting something one values on the ground we would be better served to petition the "gods" to create a way of recalling

Tjaren: Wow !

Bene'Dryl: without that

Tjaren: Hail !

Vargen: If you aren't going to walk to your destination, you can at least walk to a...

Gargish Dragon: There is a reason to put items on the ground

Vargen: place where you're out of the way before dropping the rune

Xuri Dabur: *raising hand for point on ownership...*

Wilmot: *nods to Vargen*

Gargish Dragon: I saw it happen too often that thieves took away decorations

Silver Fox: Let those who rely on magic worry about their precious runes

Bene'Dryl: was I finished??

Silver Fox: Sorry Dryl

Keuldan Vraal: please please gentlemen hands

Xuri Dabur: *raising hand for point on ownership...*

Keuldan Vraal: go on dryl

Bene'Dryl: the rune issue comes up almost exclusively at banks

Gargish Dragon: After Dryl, Xuri

Bene'Dryl: as do certain other problems...

Silver Fox: *wonders what that was about*

Bene'Dryl: perhaps we need special laws protecting the bank

Treadeau Du'rome: Kal Ort Por

hybrid: *rasis hand*

Bene'Dryl: good riddance

Vargen: *nod*

Bene'Dryl: one down....

Keuldan Vraal: Xuri

Gargish Dragon: Xuri...

QwkBlade: *notices how the air smells cleaner now*

Xuri Dabur: Ah yes

Keuldan Vraal: sorry dryl

Silver Fox: *glances at Dryl*

Xuri Dabur: as for ownership thing

Keuldan Vraal: one sec xuri go on dryl

Xuri Dabur: oph oh

Bene'Dryl: it is not foly to put down a rune for a party to recall from it is necessity

Wilmot: Nay

Silver Fox: *shakes head*

Keuldan Vraal: done dryl?

Vargen: is it necessary to do it where there are 20 other people around?

Bene'Dryl: aye...for now

Keuldan Vraal: Xuri

Xuri Dabur: ah back to ownership

hybrid: *rasis hand*

Greywolf: *pounds head on table*

Xuri Dabur: one possible problem there might be what would the murderers life of? and the thieves?

Bene'Dryl: COME IN!!

Xuri Dabur: no good without evil. *chuckles*

Bene'Dryl: oops...thought someone was at the door

Keuldan Vraal: *grins at dryl*

Lamorak: *raises hand*

Xuri Dabur: -

Keuldan Vraal: we arent trying to get rid of evil

hybrid: how do we have the right to pass laws in Yew???

Keuldan Vraal: we just want to manage the pests in town i think the issue on placed items is a sticky one

Vargen: *raises hand*

Keuldan Vraal: perhaps we should leave it for a vote on the webpage?

Greywolf: aye

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

hybrid: i like how my ? was answerd

Silver Fox: *shrug*

Keuldan Vraal: Gargish you think this would be feasable?

hybrid: later all Kal Ort Por

Gargish Dragon: Of course we may do that

Keuldan Vraal: *sighs at hybrid*

Silver Fox: I'm going to have to speak to Hybrid about his attitude I'm sorry everyone

Keuldan Vraal: yes please excuse him

Visca: no apologies needed here.

Lamorak: It is his father's macro

Visca: *grins*

Keuldan Vraal: LOL

Bene'Dryl: we are all a bit testy these days

Keuldan Vraal: ok then we will leave the rune snatching to a vote on the webpage

Xuri Dabur: *raising hand*

Keuldan Vraal: my fingers are running out of steam

Bene'Dryl: was my suggestion dismissed?

Keuldan Vraal: Gargish would you like to take over?

Gargish Dragon: Yes, I can do that

Lamorak: *raises hand*

Gargish Dragon: Dryl, you asked about special laws for banks?

Silver Fox: *raises hand*

Gargish Dragon: What are you thinking about exactly?

Xuri Dabur:

Keuldan Vraal: *Looks at at dryl*

Gargish Dragon: All right... Lamorak?

Lamorak: I feel foolish for not asking this question earlier

Xuri Dabur: *raises hand*

Bene'Dryl: is anyone running this meeting?

Lamorak: But what assurances has OSI given that may assist with this system?

Keuldan Vraal: *zips lips*

Gargish Dragon: Dryl, what do you mean? As in moderating?

Keuldan Vraal: dryl can you hear gargish from where you are sitting?

Bene'Dryl: nope

Keuldan Vraal: doh!!!

Xuri Dabur: move further up

Keuldan Vraal: take my seat gargish

Bene'Dryl: can't see him either ah

Keuldan Vraal: sorry bout that dryl

Gargish Dragon: KeuI wonder what is the difference

Keuldan Vraal: not sure

Gargish Dragon: I wonder what is the difference

Bene'Dryl: still not hearing him

Keuldan Vraal: hmm

Vargen: perhaps the moderator should sit in the middle of the table...

Xuri Dabur: Bene aye

Lamorak: I am confused. I need a frame of reference

Silver Fox: We need a crystal

Greywolf: gotta go catch you all later

Vargen: I think I have been missing some of Xuri's words myself...

Silver Fox: *raises hand*

Being perfectly rested, you shove Wilmot out of the way.

Gargish Dragon: I will sit here

Keuldan Vraal: oh drat what amess

Xuri Dabur: Humm..

Bene'Dryl: I have not heard Xuri either

Silver Fox: *raises hand*

Xuri Dabur: I see everyone from here

Gargish Dragon: Dryl, you asked about special laws for banks

Keuldan Vraal: our hall has terribel accoutics

Silver Fox: We need crystals from now on

Bene'Dryl: ah...hello Gargish

Vargen: I can hear him sometimes, but other times I can't

Silver Fox: On at each end of the room

Lamorak: Dryl has crystals

Gargish Dragon: what exactly do you mean?

Bene'Dryl: yes I do...and I did suggest it but there was another suggestion

Silver Fox: Sorry, didn't hear you suggest it Anyway *raises hand*

Lamorak: call on SIlver

Bene'Dryl: I suggested that the solution to the rune-on-ground problem

Lamorak: his hand is turning blue

Bene'Dryl: might lie in a formal plea to OSI

Silver Fox: I think the rune on the floor issue deal with a more serious problem, recall

Vargen: to get rid of that blasted spell?

Silver Fox: And this should be left to another discussion

Wilmot: *nods to Fox*

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Gargish Dragon: all right.. Lamorak was next

Vargen: the recall debate is one of the oldest, and will not be settled here

Silver Fox: We shouldn't get bogged down on a little detail like that

Gargish Dragon: He asked about assurances from OSI Of course we don't have assurance they will help

Keuldan Vraal: *raises hand*

Gargish Dragon: But as I have read on several occasions

Xuri Dabur: *testing*

Keuldan Vraal: can anyone hear gargish?

Silver Fox: I'm done, by the way

Gargish Dragon: Designer Dragon considers player policing an important idea

Silver Fox: Gargish?

Xuri Dabur: Aye

Bene'Dryl: I can

Vargen: *raises hand*

Visca: aye, I hear him

Keuldan Vraal: oh this is a mess

Xuri Dabur: Unicode

Lamorak: Thank you

Silver Fox: I see thou hiding behind that tree! Whoops, macro, sorry

Bene'Dryl: is that a code with only one horn?

Visca: or a horn with only one code?

Gargish Dragon: Lamorak.. satisfied?

Bene'Dryl: Visca

Visca: *blushes*

Bene'Dryl: you might change the color of your emote

Silver Fox: Gargish, you there?

Bene'Dryl: it disappears in the journal

Gargish Dragon: Yes

Keuldan Vraal: Gargish i think the other side of the table is having trouble hearing you

Gargish Dragon: Can everyone hear me?

Keuldan Vraal: i can hear you

Silver Fox: Haven't heard a word from him

Wilmot: *nods*

Bene'Dryl: yes

Keuldan Vraal: oh this is a mess

Xuri Dabur: Hm I can't hear anything now

Keuldan Vraal: oh dear

Being perfectly rested, you shove Bene'Dryl out of the way.

Xuri Dabur: A circle

Silver Fox: I'm telling you, crystals one at each end

Keuldan Vraal: mayhap we should move this outside for now?

Gargish Dragon: Can you hear me now?

Lamorak: Ladies and gentlemen

Silver Fox: Yes

Wilmot: *nods*

Lamorak: I must depart

Vargen: *nod*

Bene'Dryl: this is fun

Xuri Dabur: Farewell Lamorak

Silver Fox: By Lamorak

Keuldan Vraal: good day Lam

Silver Fox: *waves*

Xuri Dabur: A tune to thy departure

Bene'Dryl: shouldn't there be music though?

Lamorak: I amde a promise

Wilmot: Farewell

Lamorak: that I must keep

Vargen: *chuckle*

Lamorak: Good evening

QwkBlade: Good nitew

Gargish Dragon: Well.. Silver Fox wanted to say something

Silver Fox: Aye, they are

Xuri Dabur:

Silver Fox: Gargish, I did

Bene'Dryl: what is "OCC"?

Silver Fox: I think the rune on the floor issue deal with a more serious problem, recall

Xuri Dabur:

Visca: ooc-out of character

Silver Fox: and that should be left for another discussion

Gargish Dragon: Aye, agreed

Vargen:

Bene'Dryl: ah

Silver Fox: We shouldn't let a small issue bog us down

Bene'Dryl: thank you

Silver Fox: I'm done

Gargish Dragon: Now what other crimes are there?

Xuri Dabur: *raises hand*

Gargish Dragon: Xuri?

Silver Fox: Nudity?

Xuri Dabur: People attacking themselves.

Silver Fox: Whoops

Keuldan Vraal: ahahh

Wilmot: a crime, indeed

Edge Dragon: hehe

Bene'Dryl: ok...that's it this is a waste of time

Edge Dragon: May I say this? Our 'crime'

Keuldan Vraal: still cant hear dryl?

Bene'Dryl: who?

Edge Dragon: is not teaching the new travellers.

Keuldan Vraal: oh well you said it was a waste of time.....

Silver Fox: Aye, new citizens must be taught

Bene'Dryl: agreed partially

Vargen: that is the millitia's job

Gargish Dragon: Dryl can you hear me?

Edge Dragon: how to be independent. how to make gold. how to defend oneself.

Xuri Dabur: Dryl can you hear Gargish?

Edge Dragon: That is crime.

Vargen: that is already being addressed

Silver Fox: Dryl, can you hear Gargish?

Bene'Dryl: nope

Silver Fox: *sigh*

Keuldan Vraal: bleh

Silver Fox: No, he can't

Xuri Dabur: *sigh*

Keuldan Vraal: perhaps we should end this meeting for now? it is getting late

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Edge Dragon: I have a crystal

Vargen: I agree

Silver Fox: *prepares to do sign language*

QwkBlade: Folks I must retire...

Edge Dragon: if it's needed..

Gargish Dragon: When do we meet again?

Xuri Dabur: Say... one hour?

Keuldan Vraal: perhaps same time next week?

Gargish Dragon: Please, just a minute

Vargen: let us discuss this on the message boards for a time

Wilmot: *nods*

Xuri Dabur: *nods* Same time

Bene'Dryl: what message boards?

Keuldan Vraal: good idea Vargen

Gargish Dragon: I would suggest discussing on the message board

Wilmot: The Yew one....

Silver Fox: agreed

QwkBlade: *notes it*

Silver Fox: The same "newspaper" that the documents arestored at (ooc

Gargish Dragon: and we should have worked out laws to vote on at our next meeting

Xuri Dabur: *nods*

Silver Fox: Or at least put to the survey?

Keuldan Vraal: sounds great

Silver Fox: By the way, I invite all to visit the TKB site and take OUR survey *chuckles*

Xuri Dabur: *chuckles*

Keuldan Vraal: heheeheh

Xuri Dabur: ahem

Keuldan Vraal: only if you are not easily offended

Xuri Dabur: *chuckles bardishly*

Bene'Dryl: does it involve nudity?

Silver Fox: Yes indeed

Keuldan Vraal:

QwkBlade: Or things left on the ground?

Xuri Dabur: nudity of the mind

Keuldan Vraal: well then. i bid you all good night Participants Furor , Aiden , Tjaren , Dark Knight , hybrid , Conan , Dorillion , Lurik , Azuth Lifespring , Santos the friar , Kybo Ren , Wilmot , Lamorak , Edge Dragon , QwkBlade , Visca , Thrawn , Greywolf , Gandalf , Gargish Dragon , Treadeau Du'rome , Silver Fox , Charlemagne , Vargen , Bene'Dryl , Xuri Dabur , Keuldan Vraal

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