Fifth Yew Town Council Meeting
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Fifth Yew Town Council Meeting Yew Town Council Hall, 23-Oct-98 Keuldan Vraal: we could all take a seat we could begin
Vargen: Vraal, who is in chare of the Millitia guildstone?
Keuldan Vraal: Cass is
Vargen: thanks
Keuldan Vraal: please take a seat all and quiet down first of all thank you all for coming was anyone here at the last meeting?>
Council MeetingGreywolf: aye
Thrawn: the one before the fair?
Dorillion: getting Aiden
Greywolf: that was a ways back
Vargen: the last one here?
Dorillion: Kal Ort Por
Kybo Ren: I was at some of the fair
Lurik: *grrr...lag*
Keuldan Vraal: there was one last weekend yes?
Azuth Lifespring: hmm
Thrawn: could you stop casting please?
Keuldan Vraal: yes Cama please stop casting
Dorillion: going to get Aiden
Keuldan Vraal: well then let us begin
Kybo Ren: ?
Keuldan Vraal: as you know, one of our greatest goals with this town council is that we hope to someday have some real powers to govern recently we have had some breakthroughs
Azuth Lifespring: argh
Thrawn: oh? like what?
Keuldan Vraal: and it may very well be a possibility that player governments may have some real powers in game
Thrawn: *clap clap*
Azuth Lifespring: hmm can the gentleman over there wear some clothes please hehe
Greywolf: hurray
Keuldan Vraal: Thrawn i must apologise
Charlemagne: Do you need a robe?
Keuldan Vraal: i must be vague on the fine points
Thrawn: ahhh, it's understandable
Keuldan Vraal: our main problem is that we dont want a million fake councils popping up
Thrawn: *nod*
Keuldan Vraal: just for a grab of power
Azuth Lifespring: aye
Kybo Ren: aye
Santos the friar: What sorts of power?
Thrawn: I could see it now...
Kybo Ren: town control?
Keuldan Vraal: well i can tell you what we are asking for
Thrawn: "The Council of Pimp Daddys"
Keuldan Vraal: *grins* cama do you have some clothing?>
Greywolf: I read something about how new towns could come about and set up
Keuldan Vraal: im not used to public speaking next to nude men
Azuth Lifespring: hehe
Bene'Dryl: er...I am
Keuldan Vraal: *grins * thanks that will do
Greywolf: looking better
Dorillion: Kal Ort Por
Keuldan Vraal: Greywolf? you had something to say?
Greywolf: ah yes I read something on the YTC about how towns would be set up I don't know if anyone else have read it
Keuldan Vraal: oh the essay by dlome et al?
Kybo Ren: in this or T2A
Thrawn: ahh I saw it but did not reasd it yet
Keuldan Vraal: i suggest you all go and read it
Bene'Dryl: welcome aiden
Thrawn: yes, the proposal for townstones
Keuldan Vraal: it is under the town documents section
Aiden: Hail
Conan: hail
Vargen: I read it. it is a good beginning
Greywolf: yes it sounds really good
Treadeau Du'rome: mortals
Keuldan Vraal: let me outline something for you here is what we are asking for 3 things 1. the power to decorate 2. the power to punish and jail players 3. unique items to distinguish government officials
Kybo Ren: For jailed players would it be posible to escape?
Azuth Lifespring: hmm
Keuldan Vraal: does anyone thinks we are missing anything?
Thrawn: sounds reasonable.. though the jail thing would be tricky
Treadeau Du'rome: Your current judge is corrupt
Azuth Lifespring: aye..
Thrawn: *chuckle*
Conan: beer for everyone
Treadeau Du'rome: Putting laws in his hands is a mockery
Vargen: there shouldn't be a way to escape that works every time
Conan:
Keuldan Vraal: *grins at Treadeau*
Kybo Ren: ah
Greywolf: I agree that we should use the system I was thinking of
Thrawn: corrupt?
Santos the friar: Perhaps a sentence of time.
Greywolf: a ways back yea right
Keuldan Vraal: hahah perhaps
Kybo Ren: hail
Dorillion: Kal Ort Por
Xuri Dabur: *tuning lute*
Conan: oh no the tkb
Charlemagne: Hail!
Keuldan Vraal: well then
Azuth Lifespring: that kind of power... means that any changes in the government will be trouble some
Keuldan Vraal: let us discus possible abuses
Vargen: should someone invite the gentleman from Rivendell in?
Charlemagne: I have a major abuse!!
Azuth Lifespring: the "gods" will have to be called
Keuldan Vraal: as sir Du'ro suggest
Bene'Dryl: who is the judge? and why are they corrupt?
Azuth Lifespring: Azreal is the chief
Keuldan Vraal: Azreal is our high judge
Treadeau Du'rome: If you are to judge a person your judges must be able to look at all views
Charlemagne: Aye
Azuth Lifespring: true
Charlemagne: I for one am against player judging It wil always be unfari and curropt
Bene'Dryl: ansd the corruption charge?
Charlemagne: and a drain
Vargen: I was under the impression that all current positions were provisional until
Charlemagne: on OSI's time
Vargen: elections could be held
Treadeau Du'rome: Darkmoon refuses to hear the requests of the Ebon Skull
Keuldan Vraal: any ideas on how we could prevent corrupt judges?
Greywolf: all right full house
Charlemagne: Hail Rivendell!
Azuth Lifespring: well if no players can judge, that means the law is no longer our concern
Conan: hail
QwkBlade: Hail!
Bene'Dryl: aye
Gandalf: Hi all
Keuldan Vraal: Hello all
QwkBlade: Yew Militia!
Visca: Hail to the Militia!
QwkBlade: Sorry we were late...
Dorillion: some of it
Thrawn: and what would be wrong with a jury type court system?
QwkBlade: Hard time finding the place
Charlemagne:
Bene'Dryl: two things
Keuldan Vraal: *grins* glad you could make it yes Bene'Dryl?
Azuth Lifespring: have a seat plz
Bene'Dryl: first, how do you raise a jury...
Thrawn: simple
Bene'Dryl: and make sure it is representative
Charlemagne: Pleas take a seat
Thrawn: look around the room *smile*
QwkBlade: thanks
Charlemagne: np
Thrawn: I think it's a rather diverse crowd
Visca: Feel just a tad under m'Lord. Tis of no bother.
Bene'Dryl: 2nd...if it is the same people over and over, that is no less chance for corruption
Visca: *grins*
Thrawn: all with the generally good intentions of Yew in mind
Visca: my thanks
Keuldan Vraal: good intentions is a very subjective thing
Bene'Dryl: better off with a triumverate
Charlemagne: My main criticism...
Treadeau Du'rome: Judging people by false virtues will not be tolerated by the undead
Thrawn: *chuckle*
Bene'Dryl: er...
Visca: *smiles*
Bene'Dryl: hello glad to meet you
Charlemagne: Is how to select a jury
Bene'Dryl: want to stay on topic?
Santos the friar: What do the undead care for the living, sir?
Keuldan Vraal: see what i mean *gestures to Du'rome
Thrawn: and the stenhc of your rotting flesh offends me, what's your point?
Gandalf: Yea
Thrawn: *smile*
Keuldan Vraal: ahh look
Gandalf: I have no clu what is going on...
Keuldan Vraal: there is the man now
Charlemagne: It would be wuite impossibele To raise a jusry
Bene'Dryl: neither does our undead friend
Charlemagne: With any sort of regualrity
Gandalf: Undead?
Thrawn: well
Keuldan Vraal: i suppse we can start over again
Charlemagne: or consistency
Thrawn: how often do we have trials?
Charlemagne: Perhaps I am the only relaist here
Keuldan Vraal: Hail good mayor!!!
Xuri Dabur: If I may suggest...
Thrawn: it is not an every day occurence
Gargish Dragon: Greetings
Xuri Dabur: One speak at the time!?
QwkBlade: Hail Mayor!
Charlemagne: But I see this as being very hard to impliment
Xuri Dabur: Evening Mayor
Vargen: In order for any justice system to be fair
Treadeau Du'rome: Yew is home to our Necropolis
Gargish Dragon: I am terribly sorry that I am late
Santos the friar: Indeed?
Keuldan Vraal: quiet all
Vargen: most of the mechanisms would likely have to take place on the etherial web
Keuldan Vraal: gargish i began a discussion on possible town empowerment
Bene'Dryl: and it provides a fine hunting ground...thank you
Charlemagne: I was just saying
Thrawn: we were debating the justice system
Charlemagne: That i see player judges and juries as next to impossible to impiment impliment
Keuldan Vraal: aye they would be difficult indeed
Santos the friar: They would be overworked, for one thing.
Charlemagne: Perhaps I am being too much of a realist, but it seems that our time, and OSI's would be better spent on other issues
Gandalf: Corruption would rule!
Xuri Dabur: unless the ones charged are willing to come...and take the punishment
Charlemagne: Yeah, right.
Thrawn: and sometimes they are
Treadeau Du'rome: Corruption already rules this would only make it worse
Bene'Dryl: the rate of decay of dead bodies, for instance
Keuldan Vraal: if I may....
Gandalf: Yes...bribes would be king..
Charlemagne: let us stay on the even knell that we have establiushed
Thrawn: bribes? I doubt that
Charlemagne: That is all
Thrawn: a Court has always been part of the plan for the Council
Bene'Dryl: Azuth could you change your speech color
Lurik: nay, a court system is feasible, if it is to govern yourselves and not the general poulace
Charlemagne: Perhaps the court should only try internal people
Bene'Dryl: hard to read in journal
Charlemagne: Exactly
Gandalf: If we want justice we must have a system based on witnisses and screens!
Vargen: we should ask the gods for some method of secure voting
Charlemagne: Only Militia and town
Thrawn: that is the ide
Xuri Dabur: Hm what about
Charlemagne: should be judged
Keuldan Vraal: aye, it hink if we keep out laws very simple it would be feasable
Greywolf: yes town citizens
Xuri Dabur: letting all citizens of Yew
Thrawn: asurely we could not try those who refused to acknowledge the charges
Xuri Dabur: swear an oath.
Bene'Dryl: worse
Xuri Dabur: They can still be made outcast of the community...sort of
Santos the friar: And yet, it is not the citizens who are criminals.
Thrawn: have you been reading the discussion board?
Aiden: Farewell, I must eat.
Bene'Dryl: though I do like lavender
Charlemagne: \*nods*
Thrawn: about possible charges against Ibn Shaun and Homer?
Keuldan Vraal: how about this
Bene'Dryl: that is good thanks
Keuldan Vraal: simple charges may be dealth with on the spot
Thrawn: Ibn said he would defend his case..
Treadeau Du'rome: Perhaps you would just wish to put the whole FoA on trial
Charlemagne: Yes
Gandalf: HAHAHAH
Keuldan Vraal: more difficult ones would have to be dealth with in court
Charlemagne: you are attacking him for a role-playing choice
Thrawn: *chuckle*
Gandalf: The FoA is mostly NPSs....
Vargen: shouldn't we decide what actions are specificly considered criminal before
Thrawn: I am not attacking him
Gandalf: cs
Charlemagne: This makes it must more complicated well
Gandalf: I mean
Charlemagne: trying him
Vargen: we can work out the best way to enforce them
Greywolf: and that choice would have to be dealt with in court
Charlemagne: Yes
Treadeau Du'rome: The Ebon Skull will not tolerate her allies to be put on trial
Bene'Dryl: being a pk is not a roleplaying choice
Charlemagne: We mmust not try him agaisnt a law that has not been writen
Gandalf: Its a stupid profession...
Vargen: even if it would prove their innocence ?
Thrawn: so you do not think that by aiding Martoo's escape, he impaired the duty of the
Keuldan Vraal: Gentlemen please!!
Xuri Dabur: Hm I am not updated here..what is his...."crime"?
Charlemagne: See!!!
Thrawn: Militia?
Bene'Dryl: then the ebon skull needs to get over it
Keuldan Vraal: we are getting off course here!!
Charlemagne: This is exactly what we did not wnat to happen@ !
Santos the friar: *chuckles*
Charlemagne: Now we must become politically aligned!
Thrawn: *laugh*
Charlemagne: Cnat you see the disaster tha twill follow! Can you?
Keuldan Vraal: we must keep ourselves focused
Thrawn: no
Kybo Ren: This is getting out of hand
Keuldan Vraal: right now we are simply talking about petty thieves
Gandalf: May I speak?
Charlemagne: But see It is all linked togehter
Keuldan Vraal: not plots to destroy the world
Charlemagne: *shuts mouth*
Vargen: won't the royal guards be returning stolen goods soon?
Treadeau Du'rome: As long as mortals breath there will be thieves
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Thrawn: yes, Vargen
Keuldan Vraal: yes Treadeau there will be
Xuri Dabur: But what about out of town area?
Thrawn: but there are areas of Yew the guards do not protect
Gargish Dragon: We must see that there are obvious criems that require immediate action
Keuldan Vraal: and as long as we breathe there will be those who try to stop them
Kybo Ren: that is why we must find the right hands
Gargish Dragon: and those that must be brought to a trial
Gandalf: THe current justice is inadequate!People murder and loot and steall everywhere
Vargen: then that falls to the millitia
Gandalf: And NOTHIGN is done about it
Bene'Dryl: I am with Gandalf
Gandalf: THe world id tuled by evil!
Keuldan Vraal: let us break this down
Vargen: not true, we're here aren't we?
Santos the friar: The problem stems from an absence of Virtue.
Gandalf: If ANYTHIGN is to be done
Charlemagne: I am with Treadeu
Keuldan Vraal: quiet all please
Gandalf: WE MUST doi it TOGETHER
Xuri Dabur: The jails is the problem. They are not in use. oops
Treadeau Du'rome: The false virtues of Lord British
Bene'Dryl: why is Treadeu here?
Gandalf: False?
Charlemagne: *claps for Tredeuau!! *
Treadeau Du'rome: The false virtues of Lord British is what corrupts this land
Charlemagne: Hail Comrade!!
Gargish Dragon: What is false about the virtues? The virtues in itself are hardly false
Charlemagne: Speak the truth!
Bene'Dryl: the virtues of Lord British define this land
Xuri Dabur: Treadeau!
Gandalf: YOu are insulting my very was of life...
Keuldan Vraal: *rubs head*
Xuri Dabur: No one follows the virtues.
Treadeau Du'rome: If you wish to cleanse the land then you destroy his virtues
Xuri Dabur: NO ONE
Gandalf: way
Xuri Dabur: That is the problem.
Santos the friar: Destroy compassion? Destroy Justice?
Charlemagne: The virtues have done nothing!
Bene'Dryl: and Justice???
Charlemagne: they are worthless!
Xuri Dabur: Destroy that which is not in use?
Vargen: alright, the current system stinks, what would you replace it with?
Treadeau Du'rome: Destroy compassion justice spirituality
Charlemagne: Hollow oaths!
Treadeau Du'rome: Destroy all things
Santos the friar: Would that we all followed these hollow oaths.
Treadeau Du'rome: Only in Oblivion can things live
Keuldan Vraal: ENOUGH!!!!!
Charlemagne: that will never happen
Gandalf: sorry
Kybo Ren: ?
Gargish Dragon: Stop it
Gandalf: wrong buton
Keuldan Vraal: STOP YOUR PETTY YAPPING!
Gargish Dragon: this is distracting
Keuldan Vraal: *blushes*
Treadeau Du'rome: Petty?
Gandalf: edge
Charlemagne: *glares*
Keuldan Vraal: no please try to control yourselves
Bene'Dryl: yes petty!
Thrawn: you can preach about British and his virtues another time
Xuri Dabur: *tries to calm the crows*
Keuldan Vraal: thank you Xuri this is not a meeting for virtues discussion we are trying to get ideas for a better way of running this town
Treadeau Du'rome: We are citizens of this city
Keuldan Vraal: please try to limit yourselves to that topic yes you are Du'rome
Treadeau Du'rome: I thought we all had our say in how things are ran
Bene'Dryl: you are a blight on these fair forests!!!
Greywolf: Ok I read that this meeting will be about making laws for the community
Vargen: I thought your city was on the ice island
Charlemagne: Yes, lets stay On topic.
Keuldan Vraal: but try to stay on topic
Greywolf: Fines and Imprisonment
Xuri Dabur: Keuldan...If I my suggest something.
Keuldan Vraal: Yes Xuri
Treadeau Du'rome: To establish laws you must decide whos laws you are going to use as a standard
Xuri Dabur: The ONE who speaks, rise. Noone speaks until he is seated.
Vargen: our own
Charlemagne: yes
Greywolf: and possible future player controlled law enforcement
Keuldan Vraal: aye if you do not have the floor then please be quiet
Vargen: that's why we're here
Dorillion: Edge
Charlemagne: It returns to the LB/ L Black argument
Edge Dragon: I have gotten the news, Dorllion My apologies.
Gandalf: WTF
Keuldan Vraal: gentlemen....
Edge Dragon: Aye
Keuldan Vraal: let me say soemthing
Edge Dragon: Sir Galahad had conferred with me.
Gandalf: Edge
Keuldan Vraal: player empowerment is most likely on its way
Edge Dragon: And it's been taken care of.
Keuldan Vraal: if we cannot come to a concensus on this then it will be decided by a handful of players
Bene'Dryl: so long as power is in the hands of killers and theives
Keuldan Vraal: so please try to be as civil as possible here
Bene'Dryl: there is no empowerment
Keuldan Vraal: that is what wer are trying to change
Santos the friar: *nods*
Keuldan Vraal: now then
Greywolf: aye first we must make some laws and have them put in a ballot for all to vote
Keuldan Vraal: please raise your hand before you wish to speak and i shall call on you in turn
Charlemagne: *nods*
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Greywolf: *nods*
QwkBlade: *nods*
Keuldan Vraal: does anyone wish to start again?
Greywolf: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: Greywolf
Greywolf: ok
Gandalf: He started it
Greywolf: first this meeting was supposed to be about making laws
Edge Dragon: *nods.*
Gandalf: I was jsut standind there
Xuri Dabur: psst...rise
Gandalf: and all the sudden boom
Greywolf: so like I was saying we should work on that then put them in the ballot for people to vote done
Keuldan Vraal: aye ok then that is a very good idea in order to inforce soemthing we must have laws
Treadeau Du'rome: *raises his hand*
Keuldan Vraal: Treadeau
Treadeau Du'rome: Who will decide which laws are put on this ballot?
Keuldan Vraal: we will decide here and now
Gandalf: sorry wrong one
Edge Dragon: Gandalf we're working on the guard duties.
Treadeau Du'rome: And if one of us objects to one of these laws?
Keuldan Vraal: then you may vote against it
Gandalf: Ive been guarding the city
Bene'Dryl: *raises hand*
Treadeau Du'rome: Who will decide that the minority of thought is represented? I am through for now
Keuldan Vraal: Bene'Dryl?
Gandalf: Why not/
Bene'Dryl: we have allowed Trudy here to dominate this discussion
Gandalf: I can HEY
Keuldan Vraal: *grin*
Bene'Dryl: the purpose of laws is to keep the few from disrupting the many Treadeu has said his people will not accept the laws that are made why is he still here?
Treadeau Du'rome: Who protects the few?
Keuldan Vraal: Dryl we must be fair to his opinion at least. if he doesnt like the way things turn out then
Bene'Dryl: aye, we must...if he is fair to ours
Keuldan Vraal: like my old mama used to say. "tough titty"
Bene'Dryl: I have not seen that
Vargen: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Varen
Treadeau Du'rome: Two of my question have went unanswered
Keuldan Vraal: ill get back to you Trudy yes Vargen?
Vargen: I hear Tredeau critisizing our laws before we can even make them
QwkBlade: plz..my seat..
Vargen: and he offers no alternatives to anything we have discussed
Treadeau Du'rome: I have offered
Vargen: Oblivion?
Xuri Dabur: *chuckles*
Charlemagne: people
Treadeau Du'rome: Yes
Xuri Dabur: *nods to Lamorak*
Keuldan Vraal: aye he has and we will give him our ear along with our answer
Charlemagne: this is getting us nowhere
Keuldan Vraal: wether he likes it or not
Lamorak: *nods*
Treadeau Du'rome: Oblivion must have her say
Keuldan Vraal: Aye charlemagne is correct.... please quiet down
Vargen: I say that she has
Treadeau Du'rome: If not then your whole foolish system is truly corrupt
Vargen: and we should move on
Keuldan Vraal: this is the final say on Trudy and Oblivion! listen to me well! You sir may have your say and we will lend you and honest ear
Lurik: *wonders if the bite of his silver longsword will give the undead the say he wishes for*
Keuldan Vraal: but if you do not like our outcome
Gargish Dragon: Lurik, quiet!
Keuldan Vraal: then there is nothing you can do it is simple as that
Treadeau Du'rome: But if we are not represented by your government Then your whole system is false
Keuldan Vraal: if you wish you may go and start you own damn government
Treadeau Du'rome: You promise representation by all
Keuldan Vraal: now quit whining and try to contribute\
Bene'Dryl: if you choose to live outside the system
Greywolf: *raises hand*
Bene'Dryl: then you take the consequences
Keuldan Vraal: jsut a se Gry just a sec Grey let us focus on this we need to decide a basic law system and indeed this does go into the matter of our basic beliefs
Thrawn: there was a good proposal sent out to a gew prospective judges
Keuldan Vraal: Trudy here thinks its fine to chop people up
Dorillion: thanks thee
Keuldan Vraal: most of us here dont
Kybo Ren: aye
Treadeau Du'rome: I have not said such a thing
Keuldan Vraal: so there is quite a bit of room for debate
Xuri Dabur: Destroy all?
Thrawn: not sure who wrote it... or why it hasnt been made public for consideration...
Treadeau Du'rome: Your head judge is corrupt
Keuldan Vraal: now then
Treadeau Du'rome: I have said this before
Lamorak: I do not see him
Keuldan Vraal: Trudy please be quiet!
Bene'Dryl: again with the corrupt judge
Keuldan Vraal: now then!
Bene'Dryl: place your proof on the table or shut up
Keuldan Vraal: let us begin with our basic laws the table is now open
Visca: *pulls out a new quill to write with*
Keuldan Vraal: please raise your hand to be recognized
Greywolf: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: GreyWolf
Santos the friar: *!!!*
Greywolf: one of the first laws that should be discussed is killing of course
Keuldan Vraal: ok then
Greywolf: outside of the town
Keuldan Vraal: killing it is hmmm
Greywolf: we would still need to make up somekind of duty roster for the militia
Keuldan Vraal: let us constrain this to the inside of our borders for now
Greywolf: at sometime
Keuldan Vraal: that is in the works
Vargen: *raises hand*
Gandalf: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Vargen
Vargen: when you say inside our borders... do you mean Yew proper, or the greater Yew area?
Keuldan Vraal: for now just the guarded area
Gandalf: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Gandalf?
Gandalf: I must say one of the mos disgusting crmes is looting People who die
Furor: Kal Ort Por
Gandalf: are visciously stripped naked
Keuldan Vraal: let us deal with killing first
Gandalf: in a matter of SECONDS
Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*
Gandalf: Ithey go hand in hand
Keuldan Vraal: do we all agree that unprovoked killing is unlawful?
Gandalf: Yes
Xuri Dabur: Aye
Santos the friar: Aye.
Thrawn: of course
Greywolf: aye
Vargen: aye
Kybo Ren: aye
Gargish Dragon: Sure
Bene'Dryl: indeed
QwkBlade: *nods*
Treadeau Du'rome: You speak of killing.. I would like a definition of unlawful killing
Edge Dragon: *nods*
Xuri Dabur: *laughs*
Vargen: for once, I agree with him
Thrawn: *looks for the bouncers*
Santos the friar: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: i think under the current guards protection this is well taken care of
Bene'Dryl: nay
Charlemagne: yes
Keuldan Vraal: BeneDryl?
Bene'Dryl: there are those who kill with trapped trunks and the like
Keuldan Vraal: ahhhh
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Greywolf: Basically I was talking out of the town guards reach but in the Greater Yew ar
Bene'Dryl: preying on the innocent and unaware
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Bene'Dryl: or who provoke fights to gain a guard killing
Vargen: *raises hand*
Gandalf: Fare thee well.
Dark Knight: scuse me Edge
Keuldan Vraal: so then gentlemen should we outlaw the constuction of these boxes?
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Bene'Dryl: these too are murders
Dark Knight: I would like to get through that door
Charlemagne: well
Vargen: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Xuri?
Treadeau Du'rome: *raise his hand*
Charlemagne: only with intent to kill
Xuri Dabur: Outlawing of the boxes could do the trick
Charlemagne: they could be used for trapping
Xuri Dabur: But we could also inform the innocent and weak of these traps.
Keuldan Vraal: good point.
Xuri Dabur: somehow.
Keuldan Vraal: well then law number one to be voted on should be the outlawing of trapped boxes
Treadeau Du'rome: These boxes
Bene'Dryl: placement of a trapped chest in a public place
Keuldan Vraal: withing Yew of course
Greywolf: agreed
Treadeau Du'rome: Your laws will allow them within houses?
Bene'Dryl: is at best reckless endangerment
Gandalf: it should
Keuldan Vraal: quiet please Benedryl and Trudy have a good point perhaps we should change that to placing of trapped boxes in public areas
Treadeau Du'rome: I have another point
Keuldan Vraal: yes Trudy?
Treadeau Du'rome: Who is going to prosecute the fool who opens the box?
Keuldan Vraal: he prosecutes himself
Bene'Dryl: ahem...
Visca: *smiles*
Treadeau Du'rome: They are as much responsible as the trapper
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: no they are not
Xuri Dabur: nevermind
Keuldan Vraal: yes Xury
Bene'Dryl: the INNOCENT who opens the box is not to be prosecuted
Xuri Dabur: *chuckles*
Keuldan Vraal: ok
Gandalf: *looks dazed*
Lurik: *raises hand*
Treadeau Du'rome: Would it have went off if they did not open the box?
Vargen: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: Trudy did you raise your hand????!?! I DIDNT THINK SO
Treadeau Du'rome: I have several times now
Keuldan Vraal: let us move on stealing perhaps?
Gargish Dragon: I have a question
Charlemagne: hmm
Xuri Dabur: *listens*
Keuldan Vraal: gargish
Gargish Dragon: regarding the boxes
Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*
Gandalf: *raises hand*
Gargish Dragon: We defined public as in the guarded Yew area..
Treadeau Du'rome: You say you protect the peasents... What about the peasent that steal for food
Gargish Dragon: but I think we should include all public areas in Greater Yew
Treadeau Du'rome: Are you going to perscute these fools?
Xuri Dabur: *sighs at treadeau*
Keuldan Vraal: TRUDY NO ONE CALLED ON YOU!
Bene'Dryl: the INNOCENT who steals for food
Keuldan Vraal: one more time and im putting you on ignore
Bene'Dryl: might be exempt
Gargish Dragon: I don't see much of a difference between the Abbey and the Serpent Cross Tavern
Charlemagne: plesae calm down 8raises hand *
Keuldan Vraal: good point Gargish
Gandalf: *raises hand*
Gargish Dragon: regarding how killing or trapping should be handled
Dorillion: going to hit the bed see you all Kal Ort Por
Gargish Dragon: I'm finished
Keuldan Vraal: perhaps we could outlaw the placement of boxes only in public areas as in not your own house
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Gandalf: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Ganldaf
Gandalf: there are 2 thief types the needy and the greedy
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Gandalf: the greedy thiefs that roam our countryside show no mercy I was once trraining out of town and I lost 3k in regs in all of 10 seconds to thiefs they must be stopped
Keuldan Vraal: well then are we ready to move on to stealing?
Kybo Ren: aye
Greywolf: aye
Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Trudy
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Treadeau Du'rome: Who will be judging the Greedy from the Needy?
Keuldan Vraal: no one
Treadeau Du'rome: And who says this judge is not greedy?
Kybo Ren: judge
Keuldan Vraal: yes Xuri
Bene'Dryl: *raises hand*
Xuri Dabur: ah hyes yes actually there are three types of thiefs, if not more
Azuth Lifespring: im leaving good day
Xuri Dabur: the greedy the needy
Keuldan Vraal: good day Zuth
Xuri Dabur: and those who do it for no reason.
Vargen: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Vargen?
Xuri Dabur: not that it matters.
Vargen: I would like us to make it official that this whole business is going to involve a certain amount of trust on ALL our parts
Bene'Dryl: trust in what and by who?
Keuldan Vraal: it certainly will
Greywolf: *nods*
Vargen: and any assumptions to the contrary should be dismissed
Keuldan Vraal: what are your thoughts on jailing thieves instead of instant death?
Xuri Dabur: *rising hand*
Bene'Dryl: jail the ghosts
Keuldan Vraal: Xuri
Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*
Xuri Dabur: Jailing thieves would be far more convenient The theives would
Kybo Ren: where would we jail them?
Xuri Dabur: be taken away from the area for a while instead of
Gandalf: Death is too good for them...
Xuri Dabur: be back in two minutes. Most of the thieves inside town limits wear nothing at all so they do not loose anything by dying except the chance to steal again. -
Bene'Dryl: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: aye
QwkBlade: *nods*
Keuldan Vraal: Trudy
QwkBlade: true
Treadeau Du'rome: Why does the thief deserve death? YOu say you grant justice for all But where is the thief's justice?
Greywolf: *sighs*
Xuri Dabur: *confused look on face*
Keuldan Vraal: this is what we are trying to provide the thief takes
Greywolf: BRB
Keuldan Vraal: he has to give back if caught and is punished for trying to steal
Treadeau Du'rome: How is he punished?
Keuldan Vraal: by jailtime or death
Gandalf: I gotta go...Edge I need to ask you a quick question outside
Treadeau Du'rome: What does jailtime accomplish?
Bene'Dryl: ooh ooh ooh
Keuldan Vraal: it would keep him from stealing again for a small amount of time
Bene'Dryl: let me answer that one
Treadeau Du'rome: You think he will learn his lesson?
Keuldan Vraal: and also keep him out of game for a bit i think it will server better than and instand death by a guard
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Treadeau Du'rome: Do thieves today learn when they are killed?
Keuldan Vraal: i dont intend to rid the world of thieves
Bene'Dryl: *RAISES HAND*
Keuldan Vraal: i simply want to make them have to play the game a bit more realistically yes BeneDryl?
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Bene'Dryl: the reality of Britannia is that the only thing that is really of worth is time
Edge Dragon: *nods*
Bene'Dryl: it is all that we really have that is tangible when I am killed, what I am robbed of is time
Keuldan Vraal: perhaps not the only thing but one of the greatest certainly
Bene'Dryl: the time to be ressed the time to replace what was stolen
Thrawn: I must be going
Gargish Dragon: There is a certain proportion between gold and time
Keuldan Vraal: good day thrawn
Thrawn: (hope someone else logs the rest)
Bene'Dryl: jail the thief, and you take from him the only thing he has of real worth
Charlemagne: Anyone else logging?
Keuldan Vraal: is anyone else taking a log if this meeting?
Charlemagne: Farewell!
Xuri Dabur: Farewell Charlemagne
Keuldan Vraal: good day charlemagne
Gargish Dragon: I am logging
Keuldan Vraal: good day gargish
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Edge Dragon: No guards?
Keuldan Vraal: we will end the meeting soon
Gargish Dragon: No, I am logging the meeting
Keuldan Vraal: ahhh
Bene'Dryl: guess my pooint was not very scintillating
Keuldan Vraal: *grins* yes BeneDryl you point is ver valid
Lurik: Bene your point was the best made all meeting *chuckles*
Vargen: *smile*
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Keuldan Vraal: time is quite the common demoninator in this game
Gargish Dragon: *agreed*
Keuldan Vraal: so then
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: do you think it would be safe to give players the power to jail criminals?
Xuri Dabur: Aye
Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*
Bene'Dryl: depends who the players are
Vargen: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: what would you do Xuri if Trudy here had that power?
Lurik: only certain players for example militia members
Xuri Dabur: Well What I think Is that there should be some sort
Visca: *chuckles*
Xuri Dabur: of voting system.
Vargen: Aye
Xuri Dabur: Split the power It has been done for 200 years (RL) now.. and it seems to work
Visca: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Visca?
Visca: If I might ask, are you discussing laws, or punishments now?
Keuldan Vraal: at this point they are going hand in hand but you are right
Visca: for it seems to me there is a simple law that might fit all.
Keuldan Vraal: we should get back to the laws what law is that?
Visca: the punishment however, would take much discussion tis the law of harm. Do aught that you wish, provided that you do no harm
Edge Dragon: I am broke myself.
Visca: to others. Property and health are viable, measureable aspects.
Edge Dragon: Since Sunday
Visca: loss of those can be measured.
Keuldan Vraal: *thinks* certainly a simple perspective I do like the idea
Wilmot: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Wilmot
Wilmot: what about harrassment?
Bene'Dryl: yes what about it?
Wilmot: how can we judge?
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand to reply*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Xuri
Xuri Dabur: For verbal harrassment For other harrassment, call GM
Wilmot: *nods*
Xuri Dabur: no other way -
Keuldan Vraal: aye i do not think the town should get into that area
Visca: *feels a chill*
Wilmot: *nods*
Bene'Dryl: the GM's are uselss in harrassment issues
Keuldan Vraal: let us please continue with stealing
Bene'Dryl: they do not wish to get involved
Vargen: *raises hand*
Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Vargen?
Vargen: with regards to harrassment The best thing we can do is create a stron sense of community
Keuldan Vraal: certainly
Vargen: a single person is far less annoying when you are among friends
Bene'Dryl: I disagree
Keuldan Vraal: Trudy?
Treadeau Du'rome: I will ask that you let Bal speak His point was better than mine
Lurik: heh
Keuldan Vraal: Bal? *wonders if Bal is there*
Bene'Dryl: may I respond?
Keuldan Vraal: yes dryl?
Vargen: *raises hand to respond*
Bene'Dryl: I have, as our commander knows witnessed VERY first hand how GM's will ignore issues of harrassment
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand* hm nevermind
Edge Dragon: and tell them your opinion
Bene'Dryl: hate speech is not subjective, it is an abomination
QwkBlade: ?!
Keuldan Vraal: agreed Bene'Dryl but that is not in our realm of jurisdiction though i think i wouldnt mind it being there I know quite a few people who could use some jailtime
Bene'Dryl: the "gods" are corrupt and biased
Greywolf: aye
QwkBlade: *nods*
Keuldan Vraal: once again let us continue on with out discussion on stealing.
Greywolf: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: does anyone have any suggestions on laws for stealing?
Bene'Dryl: no, I speak from first hand experience long and bitter
Vargen: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: Vargen?
Bene'Dryl: are you a "god" during other hours?
Keuldan Vraal: *wishes he was*
Vargen: what more is there to say other than stealing is illegal without getting into...
Bene'Dryl: is this proof of the rumor that GM's run evil characters in their down time?
Vargen: the issue of punishment?
Keuldan Vraal: agreed Vargen let us say
Bene'Dryl: I serve the Goddess, Lady Justice, and YOU would do well to heed her call
Keuldan Vraal: benedryl please
QwkBlade: *looks annoyed*
Keuldan Vraal: thank you Xuri let us say
Xuri Dabur: *smiles*
Keuldan Vraal: theft is illegal simple enough ?
QwkBlade: *nods*
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Keuldan Vraal: or is it....
Vargen: aye
Edge Dragon: Nay
Treadeau Du'rome: What type of theft is illegal?
Xuri Dabur: ?
QwkBlade: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: well Trudy what kind of theft is there?
Silver Fox: *coughs*
Keuldan Vraal: hello Silver
Silver Fox: Hail
Xuri Dabur: *nods to Silver Fox*
Lamorak: Silver
Silver Fox: Forgive my tardiness
Keuldan Vraal: take a seat
Gargish Dragon: Please have a seat
Silver Fox: Thank ye
Treadeau Du'rome: There are those of you who steal for food and those who steal for greed
Xuri Dabur: But don't take it with you when you leave
Vargen: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: haha
Lamorak: I have yet to see a thief steal a loaf of bread
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Silver Fox: *pats shoulder*
Keuldan Vraal: yes but Trudy we are not concerned with motive
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand eagerly*
Greywolf: true
Keuldan Vraal: Xuri?
Vargen: regarding those who steal for need
Xuri Dabur: I have a question for Treadeau....
Vargen: fulfill that need
Xuri Dabur: Do you mean to say that we should allow theft of need?
Treadeau Du'rome: Then this town wishes to offer all people 100,000 gold pieces?
Vargen: no one need that much
Keuldan Vraal: a tricky subject indeed
Visca: *raises hand*
Lurik: *chuckles * I payed 85 gold for twenty shafts because a poor citizen was in
Keuldan Vraal: i dont think Yew needs a welfare system
Lurik: need of money
Vargen: nor do I, but...
Xuri Dabur: A church is under construction.
Bene'Dryl: we have all helped those new to the land
Vargen: should someone be without any money or possesions I would give them an axe to cut wood for money
Keuldan Vraal: please raise your hands gentlement
Vargen: help them get on their feet, not give a handout
Keuldan Vraal: err men
Bene'Dryl: or possible the followers of the Ebon Skull do not do this?
Keuldan Vraal: *grins at Dryl* we are going to have to seperate you two Gargish why didnt we make the Royal carpenter make us a penalty seat?
Xuri Dabur: *chuckles*
Gargish Dragon: *smiles*
Keuldan Vraal: let me raise this question
QwkBlade: *smiles*
Gargish Dragon: Isincerely hope we can do without
Keuldan Vraal: what about those who have the habit of snatching runes fromt he ground is this theft?
Bene'Dryl: kill them then jail them
Wilmot: it is
Xuri Dabur: *scratches beard(what beard)*
Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Trudy
Gargish Dragon: This may also be extended for items used for festivals or similar
Treadeau Du'rome: You are the fool who puts it on the ground
Vargen: the problem is the over-reliance on runic travel
Silver Fox: *nods with Trudy* *nods with Vargen*
Keuldan Vraal: hmmm
Silver Fox: *nods with Vraal*
Xuri Dabur: *nods from almost falling asleep*
Keuldan Vraal: this is a sticky point
Bene'Dryl: Silver, are you developing palsy?
Keuldan Vraal: hahah
Silver Fox: Bobbing head doll syndrome, sorry
Vargen: *laugh*
Greywolf: *raises hand*
Xuri Dabur: noddy
Keuldan Vraal: yes GreyWolf?
QwkBlade: haha
Greywolf: I was thinking how about snooping?
Vargen: *nod*
Greywolf: I mean it does get annoying when people are snooping while your trying
Silver Fox: *nod*
Greywolf: to do a transactio with a vendor
Silver Fox: *raises a hand*
Bene'Dryl: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: perhaps we could give the guards the ability to jail after exessive snooping?
Greywolf: I would say at least no snooping in buildings
Keuldan Vraal: silver fox?
QwkBlade: Aye
Silver Fox: Although Britsh's guards do not consider snooping a crime I think it's a personal assault
Greywolf: it's like soneone looking inside of your wallot
Visca: *hands Edge a pipe and tabac pouch*
Vargen: British does not consider snooping a crime worthy of death
Xuri Dabur: *cough*
Silver Fox: Well, when there's only one punishment...
Vargen: we are proposing an alternative punishment
Greywolf: aye
Lamorak: Flogging?
Keuldan Vraal: very good point Varten
Xuri Dabur: jail
Bene'Dryl: ooh ooh ooh
Silver Fox: Jail time would be wonderful for snoops
Keuldan Vraal: err Vargen Dryl?
Visca: *raises hand*
Silver Fox: *glances at Dak*
Keuldan Vraal: Visca?
Bene'Dryl: I have one question...especially in reference to jail time
Keuldan Vraal: sorry yes dryl?
Bene'Dryl: will the GM's support this?
Keuldan Vraal: we are hoping that will be possible
Silver Fox: Cool
Treadeau Du'rome: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: for now we will assume that yes it is feasable
QwkBlade: That's a good Question
Vargen: let Visca speak
Visca: It would seem to me that the reintroduction of an ancient punishment would fit.
Gargish Dragon: At least it might be if we come up with a good solution
Keuldan Vraal: to make the conversation run smoothly we will not debate on wether they will or wont
Visca: the public stocks for thieving and excessive snooping.. and harrasement.
Greywolf: aye
Xuri Dabur: *rises foot*
Vargen: public jail... I like it...
Treadeau Du'rome: ooc
QwkBlade: *nods w/ Visca*
Bene'Dryl: who gives a pk the right to limit mine?
Vargen:
Keuldan Vraal: Trudy im not sure
Vargen: our playing time
Xuri Dabur: *rises right foot*
Keuldan Vraal: but as you see here there are many rights that are just there... Xuri
Silver Fox: I would presume that the elected officials would set the jail times for crimes
Vargen: OSI can give us the right; it's their game
Xuri Dabur: what about making all criminals run 50 times around Abbey
Greywolf: it's part of life
Xuri Dabur: *smiles*
Keuldan Vraal: ahahah
QwkBlade: They could haul my Ore...
Silver Fox: So they'd be physically fit criminals?
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Keuldan Vraal: *grins* gentlemen please where were we?
Xuri Dabur: in Yew
Greywolf: snooping
Keuldan Vraal: oh yes thank you
Gargish Dragon: snooping
Keuldan Vraal: snooping in Yew
Silver Fox: Who determines jail time was the question, I believe
Keuldan Vraal: we shall for now make it a criminal offence?
Gargish Dragon: Me thinks the victim should have the right to defend
Bene'Dryl: how can jail time be enforced is the issue
Keuldan Vraal: or will if we ever have the power let us leave it at the fact taht we concider it a crime
Vargen: regarding snooping
Keuldan Vraal: the punishment we can decide later agreed?
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Greywolf: sounds good
Silver Fox: *nods*
Keuldan Vraal: Xuri?
Xuri Dabur: exessive snooping? What about GM snoopers? They snoop once and woosh
Keuldan Vraal: yes and we dont know that they do
Xuri Dabur: Define exessive snooping first i think.
Keuldan Vraal: so we cannont punish them
Wilmot: *nods*
Greywolf: more than once is excessive
Xuri Dabur: ok
Keuldan Vraal: we can define excessive at a later date also
Vargen: *nod*
Greywolf: *nods*
Keuldan Vraal: let us think again on item snatching from the ground
Bene'Dryl: it is heinous
Visca: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: yes Visca?
Bene'Dryl: but essentially not prosecutable
Visca: I believe you've already set the precedent for that
Xuri Dabur: *rises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: we did not come to a decision
Visca: with the law on trapped boxes in public places
Gargish Dragon: What *might* be needed is a way for people to regard ownership of an item
Visca: that assumes that innocents will pick up things on the ground
Gargish Dragon: at least as long the owner is around
Vargen: good point
Visca: *looks slightly ill at being a lawyer like person*
Silver Fox: *raises hand*
Bene'Dryl: *raises hand*
Xuri Dabur: make picking up items from ground illegal *chuckles* oops forgot hand
Keuldan Vraal: yes Silver?
Xuri Dabur: sorry
Silver Fox: There is very little reason to leave an item on the ground It should be fair game
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Keuldan Vraal: Benedryl?
Bene'Dryl: the issue arose due to runes
Gargish Dragon: (if I may remind you of Ultima Underworld, where every item had an "owner")
Bene'Dryl: this is about the only reason for putting something one values on the ground we would be better served to petition the "gods" to create a way of recalling
Tjaren: Wow !
Bene'Dryl: without that
Tjaren: Hail !
Vargen: If you aren't going to walk to your destination, you can at least walk to a...
Gargish Dragon: There is a reason to put items on the ground
Vargen: place where you're out of the way before dropping the rune
Xuri Dabur: *raising hand for point on ownership...*
Wilmot: *nods to Vargen*
Gargish Dragon: I saw it happen too often that thieves took away decorations
Silver Fox: Let those who rely on magic worry about their precious runes
Bene'Dryl: was I finished??
Silver Fox: Sorry Dryl
Keuldan Vraal: please please gentlemen hands
Xuri Dabur: *raising hand for point on ownership...*
Keuldan Vraal: go on dryl
Bene'Dryl: the rune issue comes up almost exclusively at banks
Gargish Dragon: After Dryl, Xuri
Bene'Dryl: as do certain other problems...
Silver Fox: *wonders what that was about*
Bene'Dryl: perhaps we need special laws protecting the bank
Treadeau Du'rome: Kal Ort Por
hybrid: *rasis hand*
Bene'Dryl: good riddance
Vargen: *nod*
Bene'Dryl: one down....
Keuldan Vraal: Xuri
Gargish Dragon: Xuri...
QwkBlade: *notices how the air smells cleaner now*
Xuri Dabur: Ah yes
Keuldan Vraal: sorry dryl
Silver Fox: *glances at Dryl*
Xuri Dabur: as for ownership thing
Keuldan Vraal: one sec xuri go on dryl
Xuri Dabur: oph oh
Bene'Dryl: it is not foly to put down a rune for a party to recall from it is necessity
Wilmot: Nay
Silver Fox: *shakes head*
Keuldan Vraal: done dryl?
Vargen: is it necessary to do it where there are 20 other people around?
Bene'Dryl: aye...for now
Keuldan Vraal: Xuri
Xuri Dabur: ah back to ownership
hybrid: *rasis hand*
Greywolf: *pounds head on table*
Xuri Dabur: one possible problem there might be what would the murderers life of? and the thieves?
Bene'Dryl: COME IN!!
Xuri Dabur: no good without evil. *chuckles*
Bene'Dryl: oops...thought someone was at the door
Keuldan Vraal: *grins at dryl*
Lamorak: *raises hand*
Xuri Dabur: -
Keuldan Vraal: we arent trying to get rid of evil
hybrid: how do we have the right to pass laws in Yew???
Keuldan Vraal: we just want to manage the pests in town i think the issue on placed items is a sticky one
Vargen: *raises hand*
Keuldan Vraal: perhaps we should leave it for a vote on the webpage?
Greywolf: aye
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
hybrid: i like how my ? was answerd
Silver Fox: *shrug*
Keuldan Vraal: Gargish you think this would be feasable?
hybrid: later all Kal Ort Por
Gargish Dragon: Of course we may do that
Keuldan Vraal: *sighs at hybrid*
Silver Fox: I'm going to have to speak to Hybrid about his attitude I'm sorry everyone
Keuldan Vraal: yes please excuse him
Visca: no apologies needed here.
Lamorak: It is his father's macro
Visca: *grins*
Keuldan Vraal: LOL
Bene'Dryl: we are all a bit testy these days
Keuldan Vraal: ok then we will leave the rune snatching to a vote on the webpage
Xuri Dabur: *raising hand*
Keuldan Vraal: my fingers are running out of steam
Bene'Dryl: was my suggestion dismissed?
Keuldan Vraal: Gargish would you like to take over?
Gargish Dragon: Yes, I can do that
Lamorak: *raises hand*
Gargish Dragon: Dryl, you asked about special laws for banks?
Silver Fox: *raises hand*
Gargish Dragon: What are you thinking about exactly?
Xuri Dabur:
Keuldan Vraal: *Looks at at dryl*
Gargish Dragon: All right... Lamorak?
Lamorak: I feel foolish for not asking this question earlier
Xuri Dabur: *raises hand*
Bene'Dryl: is anyone running this meeting?
Lamorak: But what assurances has OSI given that may assist with this system?
Keuldan Vraal: *zips lips*
Gargish Dragon: Dryl, what do you mean? As in moderating?
Keuldan Vraal: dryl can you hear gargish from where you are sitting?
Bene'Dryl: nope
Keuldan Vraal: doh!!!
Xuri Dabur: move further up
Keuldan Vraal: take my seat gargish
Bene'Dryl: can't see him either ah
Keuldan Vraal: sorry bout that dryl
Gargish Dragon: KeuI wonder what is the difference
Keuldan Vraal: not sure
Gargish Dragon: I wonder what is the difference
Bene'Dryl: still not hearing him
Keuldan Vraal: hmm
Vargen: perhaps the moderator should sit in the middle of the table...
Xuri Dabur: Bene aye
Lamorak: I am confused. I need a frame of reference
Silver Fox: We need a crystal
Greywolf: gotta go catch you all later
Vargen: I think I have been missing some of Xuri's words myself...
Silver Fox: *raises hand*
Being perfectly rested, you shove Wilmot out of the way.
Gargish Dragon: I will sit here
Keuldan Vraal: oh drat what amess
Xuri Dabur: Humm..
Bene'Dryl: I have not heard Xuri either
Silver Fox: *raises hand*
Xuri Dabur: I see everyone from here
Gargish Dragon: Dryl, you asked about special laws for banks
Keuldan Vraal: our hall has terribel accoutics
Silver Fox: We need crystals from now on
Bene'Dryl: ah...hello Gargish
Vargen: I can hear him sometimes, but other times I can't
Silver Fox: On at each end of the room
Lamorak: Dryl has crystals
Gargish Dragon: what exactly do you mean?
Bene'Dryl: yes I do...and I did suggest it but there was another suggestion
Silver Fox: Sorry, didn't hear you suggest it Anyway *raises hand*
Lamorak: call on SIlver
Bene'Dryl: I suggested that the solution to the rune-on-ground problem
Lamorak: his hand is turning blue
Bene'Dryl: might lie in a formal plea to OSI
Silver Fox: I think the rune on the floor issue deal with a more serious problem, recall
Vargen: to get rid of that blasted spell?
Silver Fox: And this should be left to another discussion
Wilmot: *nods to Fox*
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Gargish Dragon: all right.. Lamorak was next
Vargen: the recall debate is one of the oldest, and will not be settled here
Silver Fox: We shouldn't get bogged down on a little detail like that
Gargish Dragon: He asked about assurances from OSI Of course we don't have assurance they will help
Keuldan Vraal: *raises hand*
Gargish Dragon: But as I have read on several occasions
Xuri Dabur: *testing*
Keuldan Vraal: can anyone hear gargish?
Silver Fox: I'm done, by the way
Gargish Dragon: Designer Dragon considers player policing an important idea
Silver Fox: Gargish?
Xuri Dabur: Aye
Bene'Dryl: I can
Vargen: *raises hand*
Visca: aye, I hear him
Keuldan Vraal: oh this is a mess
Xuri Dabur: Unicode
Lamorak: Thank you
Silver Fox: I see thou hiding behind that tree! Whoops, macro, sorry
Bene'Dryl: is that a code with only one horn?
Visca: or a horn with only one code?
Gargish Dragon: Lamorak.. satisfied?
Bene'Dryl: Visca
Visca: *blushes*
Bene'Dryl: you might change the color of your emote
Silver Fox: Gargish, you there?
Bene'Dryl: it disappears in the journal
Gargish Dragon: Yes
Keuldan Vraal: Gargish i think the other side of the table is having trouble hearing you
Gargish Dragon: Can everyone hear me?
Keuldan Vraal: i can hear you
Silver Fox: Haven't heard a word from him
Wilmot: *nods*
Bene'Dryl: yes
Keuldan Vraal: oh this is a mess
Xuri Dabur: Hm I can't hear anything now
Keuldan Vraal: oh dear
Being perfectly rested, you shove Bene'Dryl out of the way.
Xuri Dabur: A circle
Silver Fox: I'm telling you, crystals one at each end
Keuldan Vraal: mayhap we should move this outside for now?
Gargish Dragon: Can you hear me now?
Lamorak: Ladies and gentlemen
Silver Fox: Yes
Wilmot: *nods*
Lamorak: I must depart
Vargen: *nod*
Bene'Dryl: this is fun
Xuri Dabur: Farewell Lamorak
Silver Fox: By Lamorak
Keuldan Vraal: good day Lam
Silver Fox: *waves*
Xuri Dabur: A tune to thy departure
Bene'Dryl: shouldn't there be music though?
Lamorak: I amde a promise
Wilmot: Farewell
Lamorak: that I must keep
Vargen: *chuckle*
Lamorak: Good evening
QwkBlade: Good nitew
Gargish Dragon: Well.. Silver Fox wanted to say something
Silver Fox: Aye, they are
Xuri Dabur:
Silver Fox: Gargish, I did
Bene'Dryl: what is "OCC"?
Silver Fox: I think the rune on the floor issue deal with a more serious problem, recall
Xuri Dabur:
Visca: ooc-out of character
Silver Fox: and that should be left for another discussion
Gargish Dragon: Aye, agreed
Vargen:
Bene'Dryl: ah
Silver Fox: We shouldn't let a small issue bog us down
Bene'Dryl: thank you
Silver Fox: I'm done
Gargish Dragon: Now what other crimes are there?
Xuri Dabur: *raises hand*
Gargish Dragon: Xuri?
Silver Fox: Nudity?
Xuri Dabur: People attacking themselves.
Silver Fox: Whoops
Keuldan Vraal: ahahh
Wilmot: a crime, indeed
Edge Dragon: hehe
Bene'Dryl: ok...that's it this is a waste of time
Edge Dragon: May I say this? Our 'crime'
Keuldan Vraal: still cant hear dryl?
Bene'Dryl: who?
Edge Dragon: is not teaching the new travellers.
Keuldan Vraal: oh well you said it was a waste of time.....
Silver Fox: Aye, new citizens must be taught
Bene'Dryl: agreed partially
Vargen: that is the millitia's job
Gargish Dragon: Dryl can you hear me?
Edge Dragon: how to be independent. how to make gold. how to defend oneself.
Xuri Dabur: Dryl can you hear Gargish?
Edge Dragon: That is crime.
Vargen: that is already being addressed
Silver Fox: Dryl, can you hear Gargish?
Bene'Dryl: nope
Silver Fox: *sigh*
Keuldan Vraal: bleh
Silver Fox: No, he can't
Xuri Dabur: *sigh*
Keuldan Vraal: perhaps we should end this meeting for now? it is getting late
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Edge Dragon: I have a crystal
Vargen: I agree
Silver Fox: *prepares to do sign language*
QwkBlade: Folks I must retire...
Edge Dragon: if it's needed..
Gargish Dragon: When do we meet again?
Xuri Dabur: Say... one hour?
Keuldan Vraal: perhaps same time next week?
Gargish Dragon: Please, just a minute
Vargen: let us discuss this on the message boards for a time
Wilmot: *nods*
Xuri Dabur: *nods* Same time
Bene'Dryl: what message boards?
Keuldan Vraal: good idea Vargen
Gargish Dragon: I would suggest discussing on the message board
Wilmot: The Yew one....
Silver Fox: agreed
QwkBlade: *notes it*
Silver Fox: The same "newspaper" that the documents arestored at (ooc
Gargish Dragon: and we should have worked out laws to vote on at our next meeting
Xuri Dabur: *nods*
Silver Fox: Or at least put to the survey?
Keuldan Vraal: sounds great
Silver Fox: By the way, I invite all to visit the TKB site and take OUR survey *chuckles*
Xuri Dabur: *chuckles*
Keuldan Vraal: heheeheh
Xuri Dabur: ahem
Keuldan Vraal: only if you are not easily offended
Xuri Dabur: *chuckles bardishly*
Bene'Dryl: does it involve nudity?
Silver Fox: Yes indeed
Keuldan Vraal:
QwkBlade: Or things left on the ground?
Xuri Dabur: nudity of the mind
Keuldan Vraal: well then. i bid you all good night Participants Furor , Aiden , Tjaren , Dark Knight , hybrid , Conan , Dorillion , Lurik , Azuth Lifespring , Santos the friar , Kybo Ren , Wilmot , Lamorak , Edge Dragon , QwkBlade , Visca , Thrawn , Greywolf , Gandalf , Gargish Dragon , Treadeau Du'rome , Silver Fox , Charlemagne , Vargen , Bene'Dryl , Xuri Dabur , Keuldan Vraal