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[Inkari Northwind]

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Weaver...we know where you live
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"Life is but an Image, Of what honor truly is"
-Inkari Northwind

AKA Kurbda' PwNub

[Acheron]

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MAge tower sounds like fun and and so does the governing body theme.....ive always thought a centralized location was something missing and of course it would start with a tavern but could be more varied.....some kind of pit or coliseum for people looking for others looking for a duel.....and is anyone familiar with Deadbob's Hall of Players??? If you're not you should be I know Halister is in it....an arpc themed hall of players with GM statues, maybe a place to show off your arpc event trophies, some recruitment books with contact info, and whatever other guild memorabalia in each guilds section inside the hall maybe some history on each guild....I understand the issues with a neutral town and keeping it relevant so why not have that governing body have this area as a hometown giving all giulds some sort of business there......As for the governing body it just seems to me that the Grand Senate members on this forum would also be members of some kind of Grand Senate in game also sort of like the GMs working together to steer ARPC interaction that way we can do things without worrying about stepping on any toes......I have an extra account and have scouted a few good areas for smaller 4-8 building groups

[Garrett BL]

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I think people are looking at the conflict in a slightly skewed way... I admittedly didn't read (mostly skimmed) all the posts up to mine, but I think the view of "good" and "evil" might be a small issue within the community. While yeah, there's going to be some groups that try to all be a savior riding into battle in their shining armor like some friggin' super hero or something... and there will most likely be a band of true darkness there to give them a cause to strive against... But there really needs to be a more "grey area" in the community.

I'll try and use my own guild as an example- We originally started as a guild that was mainly built around a ninja clan. We were mercs, spies, assassins, whatever a guild wanted to hire us for. We weren't evil, but we definitely weren't good either. When we came to atlantic we grew into the current ruling party in tokuno. Again here we didn't strive to be particularly good or evil... We spent a good while with (forgot their damn name, some council a year or two back), and when it stopped suiting our goals we threw our hat in with OES. And all this time just expanding our budding empire in Tokuno, assimilating or pushing out anyone that was there. We weren't doing anything except trying to expand our borders and looking out for our people, just small things that would feel right for our guild at the time. Which (and I may be wrong, I'm somewhat out of touch with current stories/plots) is something that doesn't seem to happen often. It feels like everyone wants some epic storyline that will lead to some overly dramatic ending. But how long can you keep those stories going when you can just as simply decide "my people need room to grow, let's take this guy's stuff" and let the pieces fall where they may. Won't be as epic or involved, but it gives conflict and conflict *is* interesting.
(this is all overly simplified I know, but I think it gets the point across)

For just RP in general, I think Arahim expressed my views perfectly. So

[Inkari Northwind]

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Sooo I've thought this out and I hope some of you actually read this

So instead of just a tower...why not create an actual live town central to rp? This way the senate could meet there and there could be agreed upon laws. Like have a UN patrol in place. But this patrol consist of memeber's of each and every guild. Fight breaks out?? They put it down. War's break out and the country's doing the war are seperated from the council (ic of course) but this way every plot involves all facets of our community. We could start this ICly of course with some rapid shift in alliances. Hell have isk try and kill off all races other than humans i dun care but something could work. Have the actual mage tower central then build the city around it? This could become the ARPC metropolis. I hate to throw her under the bus but Starfire's done this already we would just need to rearange or buy out other areas. This city could be the haven for rp. We could still fight, spew, and what not. But it would be amazing to have a town to show off.

What sells kids to LLTS?? it's the fact they run their own crap. We are so disenfranchised from one another its disturbing. Im saying put the mage tower in mazewood and build it as a City for THE whole community. This would be a real spot for not just random rp but general plot development. We could all still have our own places of culture and history. But why not have a place central to the community? This could work and a lot of plots could build from it. You could even have factions within the Senate playing out against one another. Yah know to much power to one place. The tower itself could be a beacon from which all magic is stored. Have all magic using players register...hell we could do Marvel style and have a registration act passed to have magic limited or what not. Have some characters killed off from the stuff (I'll put INky in there for it )

But the idea is this

Build the tower///Build a city around it///The city is the IC spot for the Senate///The city is the central spot for rp

Mull it over especially some of the plot ideas I threw out there. I think the old timers like myself would like this idea. We could even have the tower try and sieze control of parts of the realm who knows. This way we could have a rotation of players being good and bad based on the fact there Human...Humans are not perfect, in fact probably the most evil race we could find because IC'ly and IRL we make choices and have free will at least a vampire can say...i have to drink your blood to live lol.


And yeah...I'm that awesome
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"Life is but an Image, Of what honor truly is"
-Inkari Northwind

AKA Kurbda' PwNub

[Joanna Weaver]

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I think the mage tower is already built/blessed in it's classic location, so we can't move it to Mazewood. Some kind of alternative to that would have to be thought up.
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[Inkari Northwind]

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Well as I said build the city around it, doesnt have to move to mazewood. We can just build around it. Senate hall, tavern, jail, arena, library, all the things one would want I assume even actual housing
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"Life is but an Image, Of what honor truly is"
-Inkari Northwind

AKA Kurbda' PwNub

[Merci d'Rue]

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Joanna said it best when she said just Do it.

Inkari, this town you speak of sounds great I would love to help with it even if it is to make a noob character to beg for gold with.

Beleth-Using the Mage Tower and setting up a council is something that we sorely need.

I know these things take time. Especially player made towns. So as a solution, for the time being I am going to post up a poll, for a centralized rp location spot. When a better one shows up, I will be happy to help advertise and move the spot to a player made and run town, near a mage tower, whatever is appropriate.

Notice I didnt say tavern but a spot, becuase it is clear that you all want it to be more then a tavern. So for now I will take the suggestions I have recieved in this post and in other places and poll them so you can all decide where it would be best for now!
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May destiny guide you...

[Arahim]

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A mage tower is a good idea, but a town around it? We don't want a uniform feel to the community, we don't want the vibe that we're all one guild. Thats part of the problem with the community. There is no conflict. There is no strife. And I can't remember the last time a series of battles were fought against rival factions. It just seems most of us lollygag til an event or tavern night.

A central hub for rp works, or used to. I'm not sure it would now. The community is just way too different, but I remember when the Den of Sin was THE place to hit up. Even late nights. But the cool thing about the Den was visits there led to rp outside its walls. You -started- something, and grew it beyond the bounds of Tavern nights or just always sitting around talking. Which is where we need to go.

And I agree with the 'Just do it already' mentality. I do. But I'm watching people just do it, and get little participation or garner zero interest, and its clear its burning creative minds out. Its making our best not want to bother. The person who -suggested- 'Just do it' comes to mind immediately. And so more Isks, is not a solution if no one pitches in, or takes part in a meaningful way, or grows rp outside of the initial idea or event or storyline.

[Wynn]

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You know the great thing about this thread. Is there is alot of people making suggestions. We all have said that conflict and central location is a problem. So where do we start? Would you like me to take some of this to the support team to see where we can get this going?Mabey bring back more ideas?
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[Lady LaBelle]

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"For those who have quit, gone inactive, left the community, or have considered joining, I want your feedback and participation as well, I want to know what steps we need to take to bring you back into the community, and how we can go about implementing them. "

Politics. I want politics, centralized in the Mother City. I would like to log in and carry out business transactions however small as to buying bread loafs, having armor repaired, reading in a library, discussing the rebuild of a centralized government whether it comes to fruition or not ect ect. Town meetings, theatrics, Tavern Nights, open markets, training of skills, schools, what have you. If it all took place to begin with in one big city one with a history such as Britain, everything could spawn from there. people staying at the Inn, people "renting" homes, traveling around town and what role plays happen there in because so many come to one place. My fun is simple as the interaction of buying lavish dresses from Lily Prower, or sitting and listening and perhaps taking part in philosophical debate. It does not really matter what everyone is doing, as long as we all are doing it in the same vicinity. Role plays will happen where we are all gathered. And a good backdrop is the Mother City,
I want someone is a tamer, to role playing selling me a horse and giving me lessons in the equine. I want someone who makes my clothes to role play the style and colors she will choose for me. I want to see more groups arguing about how to begin a new Regency.

I want a return to the Mother City.

Thats me.

~Player of LaBelle~

Post Script
How we could go about this...Migrate to Britain, role play that migration based on economics. Everything that follows will be role played, lets just get there. Migrate to Britain because you want to open a school, migrate there because your a baddy and want to enlighten us goodies, migrate there because you have wares to sell, migrate there because that is where for your character it all began, migrate there because business booms there, migrate there for whatever reason suits your character's Role Plays. Migrate in a group, role play the travel, camping, boating, role your arrival, your procuring a facility to reside in, role play opening a business. Think I being repetitive now... Sorry.

Call it The Great Migration. It is not a new concept that peoples of like minds have migrated to central locations looking for a future. Lets have someone write a story to motivate us all. Write your own story and cahacrter backdrop as to what reasoning would bring your character to the Mother City, and what progress is made in the city and others will follow upon hearing of the prosperity to found there in. Wow, Hallister, thanks for asking.

[Lady Avella]

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"Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything." - George Bernard Shaw


I don’t usually get involved in debates like this one, mostly due to the fact that they tend to be cyclical, like the solar eclipse they come around every so many years, but I thought maybe, this time I might.

There are many aspects to RP on this shard that I find wonderful and challenging and yet lacking in their full pronunciation of and participation in the life of an RP character. Notice I said “character” not “player” for the two are often confused. Yes, denoting a specific place for RP is great…I enjoy having the choice to attend tavern night if I like, or a planned event held by one of the RP guilds…and I’m sure there have been attempts in the past to establish a “town” or a “meeting point” for RP’s to do…whatever. But one argument I have heard over the past year was:

“All the RP seems to take place on the boards and less and less in-game.”

I don’t know if that’s true or not but the opening post to this debate described RP as taking part in a novel. With your permission I would like to take that one step further and say that RP is we “players” taking on the part of a “character” much the same way an actor takes on a role in a play or a movie. Our characters should live in the UO world as if they were real, not as some puppet we out here, move around that espouses our own “player” views and prejudices of life, but as a separate viable entity with their own life. When we make a character, how many of us ask; who is this person I am creating? What are their fears, likes, dislikes…habits…goals?

A few months ago I was told that a player was “surprised” to learn that Avella was a real, in-game character and not just a story.

The stories I post on the boards are about events in my “character’s” life that have actually happened to her in-game. When I made Avella and set her on her path in UO she traveled from one end of the UO world to the other trying to figure out who she was and why this horrible thing happened to her. She went to towns and villages…to guild halls and planned events…looking for other “characters” that might have answers to her affliction and to RP with. From time to time she would cross paths with individuals who would RP with her in a purely spontaneous and unplanned manner. Often times these individuals did not even consider themselves to be RP’ers…but they tried and did quite well…some of my most adventurous and rewarding RP’s came from such unplanned, spontaneous meetings, which told me RP was something a lot of “players” were willing to try.

And this is where my disappointment lies. Our “characters” live in UO, not us “players” and, as such, we should make every attempt to be in-character at all times whether we are shopping in Luna, hunting in the Abyss or mining for ore. We speak of seeking conflict yet when one city issued a warrant for Avella’s arrest and posted it on the boards with a reward…no one, anywhere, at any time attempted to detain her or arrest her or even show any interest. In fact at one point she went back to the very city where she was wanted and walked right past several of the characters who had issued the warrant. She was completely ignored, so, thinking it was safe, she killed a few more of their townspeople and nothing happened, absolutely nothing.

Now some folks might say “well if it had been me I would have pvp’ed her and killed her on the spot.” Well maybe, but that would not have been a solution because she is already dead. Would you have thought to subdue her with silver and, put her in a cell then organize a trial made up of members from other guilds? Nope…Would you have notified other guilds that she was in the area and might present a danger to their people? Nope… we don’t “get along” with other guilds. Right. Okay…how about bounty hunters? Nope…can’t think of any. Right.

So what happens when we are in game? If a character like Avella showed up outside your house in UO one night, would you call a GM and make a complaint because you thought the “Player” behind the “character” was being, sick and weird? Or would you call some of your guild mates to come over and confront the evil b..ch?

Yes…putting aside a particular place and time for RP is a great idea. But doesn’t that limit your character to a certain point on the map? If we could make a real effort to separate our “Players” from our “characters” and let those characters live in UO as they were designed to do, if we could take on the role of our characters, with all their fears, goals and desires, well maybe, just maybe we might find that RP on this shard is not in trouble after all.

But…that’s just my opinion. Is it worth a nickel? Probably not, but then I’m not expecting change anyway.

See ya out there.

[Lady LaBelle]

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Player of Lady Avella,
There are others of like mind out there!
~Player of LaBelle~

[Mei Fa Lo]

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What I will say is that I'm a spontainious RPer and look for RP anywhere I can. I am always in chariter. I constantly read these boards to see what is going on and try to invove Mei where I can. I prefere to try and fit Mei in RP. But the idea of making this a "novel" appeals to me and I would love to contribute in any way I can.
I'll be out there so keep an eye out for me if ya can!

~Mei

[Acheron]

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WE SHOULD...have an in game OOC meeting for those willing to put in some time and possibly an extra account to see what kind of area we can come up with and stgart putting some of these good ideas off the forums and into ultima

[Cezanne Abella]

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I do have to agree with Lady Avella, and it is unfortunate that all too often opportunities are ignored to interact.

Everything....and I do mean everything....I write happens ingame, save for conversations between two of my own characters, and I write those only if I just cannot find anyone else willing to sit in on rp with me and have those conversations ingame to see where they can go with someone else's input.

If I write Quinn getting captured and asking for tea from her captors, it happened. If I write Sarah caring for Rosar, it happened. And if I write Cezanne on a boat (I'M ON A BOAT!) or in someone's house sketching a maple tree, it happened. Even if it was just me, logging on, finding no one to rp with, and wandering around till I decided to sketch the tree. Or Eclyse, meditating at a shrine, or wandering the Britain sewers barefoot and begging in Britain at the bank, robed in a monk's robe. I did that! (And I got six hundred gold!! GO ME!!) And I got rp from people who were obviously NOT rp'ers.

And if I write a knighting and swear my new knight to virtue on Countess Aurelia in the church? It happened.

There is so much that can be done with the fiction, if only others will just drop their apprehension about interacting or stepping into each other's storylines! I'm tossing a handful of characters out there on the wind with storylines within the next week or so, and I really, very much hope to see something beautiful come of it! Let's do this, guys!