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Xana
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| Kaelthir wrote: | | Xana wrote: | In the wake of a recent import problem, it was discovered that when we started cracking down on the lead content, they began using cadmium. When asked, an exporter defended their actions.
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Hahaha, how was he defending it? |
To paraphrase, he said essentially, You want cheap you get cheap. You don't want poisonous stuff pay us more. He didn't seem really concerned about laws. Theirs or ours.
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Kaelthir
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Hahah, that's pretty honest actually. And it's true, a lot of blame falls on our corporations for extreme penny pinching. They can't always force more product down peoples' throats, so to show profit gain they need to cut costs. |
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D'thal Morlith
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Xana wrote: |
Don't you love it? Stuff's probably loaded with lead, too, like all the poisoned stuff they've been exporting of late. In the wake of a recent import problem, it was discovered that when we started cracking down on the lead content, they began using cadmium. When asked, an exporter defended their actions.
Ironic that they export items that are not permitted to be sold in that country though. Sad. So sad. |
It's cute to watch Americans believe that they can call the shots with the Chinese right now. |
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Xana
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| D'thal Morlith wrote: | | Xana wrote: |
Don't you love it? Stuff's probably loaded with lead, too, like all the poisoned stuff they've been exporting of late. In the wake of a recent import problem, it was discovered that when we started cracking down on the lead content, they began using cadmium. When asked, an exporter defended their actions.
Ironic that they export items that are not permitted to be sold in that country though. Sad. So sad. |
It's cute to watch Americans believe that they can call the shots with the Chinese right now. |
We're not obligated to buy their stuff. I go out of my way to look at origin identification. Have been for years. I can't call shots on a level larger than that, but I can control what comes into my house to a large degree. Everything comes full circle.
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Darrien Church
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I for one bear no ill-will or resentment to the glorious people of the glorious People's China. I welcome my new Chinese over-lords with a zeal and admiration that burns with the intensity of one-thousand far more inferior Eastern-European made textile products. I sing the anthem of our great master-nation, "March of the Volunteers" with vigor and love. I wish long-life and good health upon Premier Wen Jiabao and will, at the behest of the People's best interests furnish upon request the names of people here who require "re-education" as to the glory of the People's Republic of China.
And on a more serious note...this is not only a native-american problem. Do you have any idea how Germans and Italians (any ethnic group really) are used as bastardized marketing tools?
It's not limited to the natives, it's done to everyone. Let's also admit for a moment that in the Americas the native-american communities in some cases exploit their own culture and religious beliefs for financial gain and profit. Certain casinos, themed experiences etc. |
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Malicite
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The use of lead or cad..cadmai...cad...let's just call it mercury. Any way, there's no defense afforded to anyone, local or international, for putting a product in the stream of commerce with such toxic substances. From what I have heard, Chinese manufactures are more likely to care more about Americans than their own people. There are so many civil and criminal liabilities for poisoning us that they'll perform a more substantial inspection of those products coming here. That's not to say that everything we get is pure, lead-free, etc. Personally, I'm violently allergic to substandard garbage, so I don't buy American or Chinese if I can help it. Seems like a choice between breaks soon or breaks you, which is lame. Japanese and German are the ticket! As a disclaimer, I am not an expert in the trade relations between China and the United States, so anything I said above, minus my opinion, should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Kaelthir
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Malicite wrote: | | The use of lead or cad..cadmai...cad...let's just call it mercury. Any way, there's no defense afforded to anyone, local or international, for putting a product in the stream of commerce with such toxic substances. From what I have heard, Chinese manufactures are more likely to care more about Americans than their own people. There are so many civil and criminal liabilities for poisoning us that they'll perform a more substantial inspection of those products coming here. That's not to say that everything we get is pure, lead-free, etc. Personally, I'm violently allergic to substandard garbage, so I don't buy American or Chinese if I can help it. Seems like a choice between breaks soon or breaks you, which is lame. Japanese and German are the ticket! As a disclaimer, I am not an expert in the trade relations between China and the United States, so anything I said above, minus my opinion, should be taken with a grain of salt. |
Oh yeah, if it makes international news they'll go and execute the CEO. But for their own people? A few people are meaningless when you got billions, they don't care. For rubbish and giggles, wiki the yellow river in China and read up on the pollution of it. Namely:
| Quote: | In modern times, since 1972 when it first dried up, the river has dried up in its lower reaches many times, from Jinan to the sea in most years, in 1997 for 226 days. The low volume is due to increased agricultural irrigation, by a factor of five since 1950. Water diverted from the river as of 1999 served 140 million people and irrigated 74,000 km² (48,572 mi²) of land. The highest volume occurs during the rainy season, from July to October, when 60% of the annual volume of the river flows. Maximum demand for irrigation is needed between March and June. In order to capture excess water for use when needed, and for flood control and electricity generation, several dams have been built....
....On 25 November 2008 Tania Branigan of the guardian.co.uk, filed a report China's Mother river, the Yellow River, claiming that severe pollution has made one-third of China's Yellow River unusable even for agricultural or industrial use, due to factory discharges and sewage from fast-expanding cities.[16]
The survey, based on data taken last year, covered more than 8,384 miles of the river, one of the longest waterways in the world, and its tributaries.
The Yellow River Conservancy Committee, in 2007 surveyed more than 8,384 miles of the river, said 33.8% of the river system registered worse than level five. According to criteria used by the UN Environment Program, level five is unfit for drinking, aquaculture, industrial use and even agriculture.
The report said waste and sewage discharged into the system last year totaled 4.29bn tonnes. Industry and manufacturing made up 70% of the discharge into the river, with households accounting for 23% and just over 6% coming from other sources. |
Not that America is any better when it comes to deregulation harming the environment. I'M LOOKING AT YOU, OIL SPILL.
As for all ethnicities being exploited, this is true. But it is downright ignorant to say that European ethnicities are MORE exploited than the North American aboriginals. See, Europe is still a continent that has its own traditions still, it wasn't invaded by other people and it isn't risk of ethnicide. I don't know about America, but here in Canada a lot of our aboriginal people were forced away from their parents and into boarding homes (where a lot of them were sexually abused, gg priests and missionaries) to remove their culture and language from them. I have a Stl'atl'imc nation coworker who was one of these people, she has absolutely no ties to her culture because of it. And yet it's okay for whitey to come in and pretend the culture is ours, when we rubbish all over the aboriginal people and are AMAZINGLY racist to them. Aboriginals are Canada's blacks. |
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D'thal Morlith
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Xana wrote: |
We're not obligated to buy their stuff. |
No one said you were, referring to the "regulators". But frankly, there's obviously a demand for cheap, chemical-ridden childrens toys, regulations be damned. If people keep buying them, China will export them and Wally World will stock them. Sure won't be you or I getting shafted, as we're not involved in the transaction.
Silly regulators, we're a small handful of tariffs away from the Chinese dropping their share of the US Treasury. And you thought Gasoline was expensive when it was $4.25 a gallon.
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Xana
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Fairly sure one of the better articles on this subject was Nat Geo, a few months back.
From what I got out of it, a huge part of the imported poison problem in America, is that -our- laws pretty much fall on the shoulders of the importers. Not the exporters. Exporters probably know this, and maybe a first few shipments might be made safer. Nobody is watching the herd. The importers do a few initial tests to make sure they're up to par. The government who wrote the laws is pretty much not watching the importers either.
Til there's a problem.
In the same article it also touched on formaldehyde in things like clothing and furniture. It's illegal to sell it in that country, but not to export it. Totally legal here to import items saturated with a chemical known to cause health issues. Nice, huh?
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