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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Norture wrote:


In fact, I wouldn't even start a char out as undead. I find my characters' personalities develop in their mortal years, starting a char out as undead right off the bat would really take away from their experience and how they would view the world.



I couldn't have said it better myself. Speaking from experience, when I was the GM of OES we would get about a dozen applications per week, and less then half of them were even presented to the council for consideration, and even fewer were approved. It wasn't because they were poor role players, we accepted plenty of newbie roleplayers that eventually learned and grew with the guild quite nicely. The reason they were rejected was because they thought they could get away with applying as:

A) A lich lord that's been around for a few thousand years
B) A vampire
C) A Death Knight, a special variety of undead that were created in OES.
D) Satan (No joke.)
E) A demon that arrived from beyond the known borders of time and space

And let's keep in mind, a lot of the applicants who did this probably should have known better, as they were in the community for quite some time and knew what would or wouldn't fly in OES (Don't ask me to name names, some of these people still play as far as I know.)

Start small. Vaen Swiftar was a normal character, and he eventually became one of the most well known characters in the community. Even Darrien Church, a lich lord, had a very humble beginning as a slave to the Order of the Ebon Skull, and eventually became the lich lord we know him as today.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I was considering writing a guide to playing an average joe schmoe, complimented by my recent experiences doing just that. However, it would probably devolve into a giant explosion of sarcasm.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of you, as I recall haven't seen me roleplay in the past 6 months or so. I wouldn't be making judgements right now. I've done a lot of tabletop pnp (Dark Heresy, Deadlands, some NWoD) that taught me how to RP correctly (thanks to a kickass GM whose been GMing for gods know how long).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most of you, as I recall haven't seen me roleplay in the past 6 months or so. I wouldn't be making judgements right now.


Omera, there are people in this community that have been around a hell of a long time and some that have probably roleplayed in some form longer than you've been alive. They can spot holes in a persons rp easily. Take their advice, I did when I started and I know I'm a hell of alot better a roleplayer now.

All these people who have posted know what the hell they are talking about, and they could of very easily blown you off and not given you any input.

Just start simple, human or hell elf even. Most of the stuff on that list is going to require you to do a hell of alot of reading up on already established lore with undead and orcs. Not something you can just jump into unless you know the history here.

Be human, there is so much you can do with a plain old human to make them fun and interesting, I'm sure there is an essay here somewhere on it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

It is great to hear you are learning, but I believe the majority of the concern is regarding your concepts. It is hard to pull off a nonstandard concept and have it be memorable, and you are aiming for VERY nonstandard concepts. "Unique" should not be the #1 thing you are aiming for.

Whatever game you guys are playing, ask your GM if he would care if you did something totally out there. Ask if you can play a wizard in a non-magical sci-fi setting; ask if you can play an alien from another planet in a fantasy setting. Even if that is not your intent here, that is the impression you are giving many.

You asked for advice, you got some, though it wasn't what you were looking for. That is the mark of good advice.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not us questioning can you roleplay, but more pointing you in the general direction of being accepted ic. Human and elves are more easily accepted by the average person because they physically don't appear as something frightening or odd. Remember, the average joe is going to see, say a lizardman, and kill it. If a lizardman was civilized and came into town, he'd take a risk of being considered the local exotic pet or the local freak. Very few would treat him as an equal. A human/elf, no matter the quirks, will still be treated as an equal at first meeting.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

omera wrote:
Most of you, as I recall haven't seen me roleplay in the past 6 months or so. I wouldn't be making judgements right now. I've done a lot of tabletop pnp (Dark Heresy, Deadlands, some NWoD) that taught me how to RP correctly (thanks to a kickass GM whose been GMing for gods know how long).


Let me paste my first time roleplaying with you then so people get an idea of what your roleplay is like. I like your lizard more than your crab guy, there is improvement, but if this was my only interaction with you I'd be left with a pretty bad taste in my mouth:

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You see: Klik'Arie [TBHG]

Thurisaz: *stretches*

Klik'Arie: *clacks claws*

Thurisaz: *turns his head slightly and studies the crab-man*

Thurisaz: Greetings.

Klik'Arie: Hello.

Klik'Arie: *bites into a raw fish's stomach making a loud crunch*

Thurisaz: *looks back to the moongate*

Klik'Arie: You're stearing at the moongate like I stear at breasts...

Klik'Arie : You are invited to join the party. Type /accept to join or /decline to decline the offer.

You have been added to the party.

[Klik'Arie]: Don't mind Klik's pervy douchebag attitude :P

Thurisaz: .... I am glad you have found interest in life.

[Thurisaz]: *Thuri wonders why a crab-person is interested in breasted females*

Klik'Arie: I fine interest in a lot of things...

Klik'Arie: Like... Vaginas! Boobs! buttsex!

Klik'Arie: And generally just pissing everybody off.

Klik'Arie: *smiles*

Thurisaz: .... Are your parts even compatable?

Klik'Arie: Yep.

Klik'Arie: Trust me.

Thurisaz: Lovely.

Klik'Arie: I've tried it with a tavern wench.

[Klik'Arie]: *hopes theres a lady somewhere in sosaria who could change his attitude*

Klik'Arie: *sneaks*

Thurisaz: What are you doing?

Klik'Arie: *massages*

Thurisaz: No.

Klik'Arie: *deep voice* Hey sexy..

Thurisaz: -no-

Klik'Arie: I was kidding!

Klik'Arie: Arse.

Klik'Arie: If you look closely, the moongate looks like a tit...

Klik'Arie: A floating space tit with glitter.

Klik'Arie: *nod nod*

Klik'Arie: I'm a genius.

Klik'Arie: *tries to grab the portal*

Klik'Arie: *sidewalks back*

Klik'Arie: Unfortunately I can't grab a floating space tit.

[Klik'Arie]: Oh, when he sidewalks, he's essentially doing a crab walk.

[Klik'Arie]: I hope I don't get reported from playing Klik :P

[Guild][Arahim]: Hihihi there!

[Guild][Thurisaz]: Hiho

[Guild][Thurisaz]: I'm at the gate

[Guild][Thurisaz]: Please come :(

[Guild][Thurisaz]: I am so alone

[Guild][Arahim]: I'm coming! lol

Klik'Arie: Y'know...

Klik'Arie: I'm supposed to be a king of my peoples...

Thurisaz: Of course you are.

Klik'Arie: But they said I had to have responsibility!

Klik'Arie: So I said Never!

Klik'Arie: And than they exiled me because of some tradition sharkshyte.

Klik'Arie: Yeah... I was supposed to take the tit-ul of king from my dead father.

Klik'Arie: Or be exiled.

Klik'Arie: Don't think I was live long as a king anyway.

Thurisaz: Mhmm.

[Guild][Thurisaz]: Pleaaaase :(

[Guild][Arahim]: Ok, I'm on me way.

[Guild][Thurisaz]: Thank you so much.

[Guild][Thurisaz]: *bows deeply*

Klik'Arie: You seem rather unbelieving!

You see: Arahim [O|S]

Thurisaz: *looks to Arahim*

Thurisaz: Ah, good to see you!

Arahim: Good eve Thurisaz.

Thurisaz: *seems relieved*

[Guild][Thurisaz]: Now hopefully the crab will come bug you!

Thurisaz: In about ten minutes, we will leave.

Arahim: Very good.

Klik'Arie: *removes a fishingrod from his backpack and snaps it togethor and casts it over to Thurisaz*

Klik'Arie: *trying to take his mask off*

Thurisaz: Stop that. Shoo.

Klik'Arie: Never!

[Guild][Thurisaz]: This has been the last several minutes

Klik'Arie: Oh fine than!

Klik'Arie: Arsehole...

[Guild][Arahim]: I see whatcha mean.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Yasamin wrote:
If a lizardman was civilized and came into town, he'd take a risk of being considered the local exotic pet or the local freak. Very few would treat him as an equal.


I can relate to that with Morio, in some places he is still considered a dumb animal...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with the majority of the posts here. I rp'd here years ago, then left the rp world for a few years, went to another shard, etc.

I came back within the past year, got into a vampire guild, attempted (key word, attempted) to play a vampire and discovered some very important facts and embarassed myself more than once. There is more lore about vampyes than one could absorb after years of research, and I walked into one of my first tavern nights and promptly *fed* on someone there.

The reaction was stunning, not in a good way, more as though i had been hit with a stun gun. I backed way off that (vamps tend to hide what they are when with mortals, feeding in public is simply not done in the better vampy societies.)

I pass that on simply to show that i have been where you were when you first came here, jumping right in without knowing the background and lore. I am very impatient, and sitting back and learning before doing is not my best thing, I don't want to make a new char or change names at this point, but i am finding i simply do not know enough about the lore of this rp community, and the sort of character i chose to play early on.

I agree with those who suggested you start with a rather ordinary character, and through your rp here, find a place where you fit. This community has some damn fine and talented rpers, listen and learn.

Your ability to be unique and creative is not in question. I think your real challenge here is one of observing the ethics of this community, and finding the place where you fit comfortably. Doing that will require all of your creativity and effort for a while. Develop a rather ordinary character, and as that char grows, it will be accepted and you add something absolutely spectacular to this community. After that, you can make another and jump in the deep end of the pool.

Also, we have just had a large influx of people to the ARPC, learning the lore that is so very strong here. So you will not be alone when working your way through this.

I hope you find a guild that will nurture you, and one to which your character can contribute. It's a two-way thing.... and will take a bit of time.

Did not mean to preach..... and best of luck.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Yasamin wrote:
It's not us questioning can you roleplay, but more pointing you in the general direction of being accepted ic. Human and elves are more easily accepted by the average person because they physically don't appear as something frightening or odd. Remember, the average joe is going to see, say a lizardman, and kill it. If a lizardman was civilized and came into town, he'd take a risk of being considered the local exotic pet or the local freak. Very few would treat him as an equal. A human/elf, no matter the quirks, will still be treated as an equal at first meeting.


Brings up a good point. Had I been warred to his character, I would've killed him instantly without question. Lizardmen are murderous beasts and I would've put him down. Since we were not warred, I had to pretend he kinda didn't exist.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm definitely not going with the 'teenage boy who is learning teh ropes' or anything similar. I'm going to consider making an individual of some off-sosaria civilization, and probably come up with detailed cultural information that would explain the character as best as I can.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say he had to be a teen :/
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what folks are generally trying to help you with Omera is the frustration many rpers feel when joining a new community. If you have a character concept, especially for your first character, that throws up road blocks for them getting rp or acceptance you may find yourself really frustrated.

I think it's safe to say that everyone wants you to become a strong member in this community and really find your niche. If they didn't want that, than they wouldn't be offering you suggestions on how to get involved. Please understand that part of that is that they are honest and although their advice isn't what you may want to hear, there is helpfulness behind it.

As a past GM I really found that folks who were hard set into making really exotic or god-like characters... well, they were more trouble than they were worth and tended to be more high maintenance than the average rper.

I'm sure you're a much better rper than you were, but you need to start with more simple concepts before you get into really exotic character concepts. Being a human, elf, etc doesn't mean you have to be boring. I've known humans who were more complex and had much deeper character concepts than folks playing the exotics. You say you've grown as a rper and I admit when you I had the short opportunity to interact with you on your lizardman, it wasn't bad. However, you are going to find it hard pressed for many guilds to accept such exotic creatures into their ranks for many reasons that are ic for them.

I give you a challenge... try to really work on something like a human or an elf and put an awesome background character together for them. Let them grow as a character through game-play and you really might find yourself pleasantly surprised. Just because your character isn't exotic doesn't mean that you can't make your own stamp on the rp history. Give it a try and I'm sure with your improved rp skills and your obvious creativity you will find that being simple has as many rp challenges as being an exotic character.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

omera wrote:
I'm definitely not going with the 'teenage boy who is learning teh ropes' or anything similar. I'm going to consider making an individual of some off-sosaria civilization, and probably come up with detailed cultural information that would explain the character as best as I can.


Ugh. I read that, and I read it like this:

"I'm definately not doing anything normal or standard. I'm going to do something completely new and make it up as I go."

I'll be blunt this time... Remind me not to run into any of your characters. I'll be bored to tears. The best roleplay I experience is people being creative and artistic within the bounds of standard characters. Picture this roleplay community and the characters within it as a museum full of works of art of varying styles and techniques. You are not trying to make a new work of art, you are trying to reinvent art out of the blue and get people to understand it.

It just isn't appealing to look at. Sorry.

*edited to fling poo and other undesirable substances at yasa before she godmode slaps me BECAUSE I TOTALLY POSTED FIRST, OH YEAH!*


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

omera wrote:
I'm definitely not going with the 'teenage boy who is learning teh ropes' or anything similar. I'm going to consider making an individual of some off-sosaria civilization, and probably come up with detailed cultural information that would explain the character as best as I can.


What's wrong with starting as a teenager? Razz Yasa came to Moonglow from Skara Brae at sixteen to learn magery. Look at where she's gone from there. Or you can be a weary wandering mercenary who wants to settle down. Heck, if you pick a city, you suddenly need to know EVERYTHING about it, so it's not exactly boring. Borrowing from Azunda's example, look at Vaen, a simple miner's son from Minoc. It's the personality and what you do that makes a character, not their origin.

*editted to godmode smack to death kujasteve for posting first*
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