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Ceinwyn ab'Arawn
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, I'm being god moded by my internet connection. I used to be decent pvp, which at least backed up my rp. Since my move, however, I am on a crappy satellite connection and can barely walk without lagging. ><

I really don't want to RP being a cripple, simply because I cannot back up what I spent years becoming because of my current internet. There really is no other option in this area for internet except dial-up, and it doesn't look like there will be for a year at least.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't have to RP a "cripple," but there's plenty of other options to RP why you aren't at the top of your game battle-wise right now. I know when I was at college, and my internet connection sucked hard, I RP'd Vaen as being a bit sick and feeling weak.

He'll be going back to that stage in a few weeks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:23 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I havent played in 6 months. I forgot all of my macros, and made all new ones. I use a different system from UOA, and I have to learn how to use it correctly. Each one of my chars were literally, top knotch material PvP wise. Now I have to go from having my spell casting timing to a tee, to be a bit off. I have to go from knowing which weapon or special i'm about to use, to accidentally disarming myself lol. So I merely avoid serious situations on my characters right now. They look for alternative situations, because they know they may get beaten atm.. Pretty much the same case as Vaen, and Cein. Only difference is, they just have bad connections, nothin about their macros or game play has changed.

I agree with Vaen about needing to back up your rp, to an extent. Darrien Church is a perfect example. He's a "powerful Lich Lord" that can do an obscene amount of rituals and what have you. But can't fight worth a damn. He knows this, so he avoids it on his character, or thinks of clever ways to take care of it. He doesn't try to claim that his "powerful Lich Lord" will one vs one anyone, and win.

There have been other rpers in the past however, that claim to have trained with the almighty gods and have swords that explodes people in one hit...but they couldn't back it up.

The Suit of Evil, or whatever it was called, that Isk seeked. Could never really be rped fully put together. Because the story around it claims that who ever wears it, is next to invinceable, some type of god. But if a recruit in Moonglow or Sanctus walks up and kicks your ass in a duel..well wtf is that? You cant rp "Doesn't die, and you do, because this suit works like that!!" Isk is a decent pvper, but he doesn't spend hours pvping like some do..so it'd be hard to pull it off. If the suit was put on someone like Vaen, Orion, or Myself (when orion played) chances are it could be pvped to -ALMOST- its expectations.

But there are rpers..that are random recruits, who come from the PvP aspect of UO..that believe they can trot around and not give a rubbish about what people have to say, because they know 90% of the community can't touch them. They'll challenge everyone to a fight, or to fel, instead of simply rping out the situation, because thats what they believe is the best. So I agree with (I think it was Mairsil?) that being able to PvP, may be abused in the wrong aspects of RP.

A side note - I LOVE, the people that rp being god like. I really, really do. Because when you end up killing them, it gives you an obscene amount of bragging rights. And it's always fun to see how they try to brush it off like nothing happened Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember when Thrax wanted someone to be the embodiment of Oggaroth. He knew he couldn't handle the PvP aspect of it himself, so he went out to ask some people. He had contacted myself and Spawn, as he knew we were good PvPers and could do the role justice. At the time I wasn't too into UO, so that made the choice a lot easier and he went with Spawn.

There's plenty of room for someone to RP a powerful ritual magic mage, but atleast have magery on your character. And there is a difference between being a powerful ritual mage and a powerful combat mage. Darrien I suppose would be a good example. But if anyone remembers Admoreth, who in my eyes was the best portrayed Lich Lord of my time, he pulled some badass rubbish. Probably the only opponent Vaen ever actually feared because of how he portrayed his character.

In the end, yeah, you pay your money per month to play the game. But if you want the general public to respect your roleplay and your supposed IC power, then you need to be able to back it up in some form. If they don't respect you, they'll just give you cute little names and brush you off as if you don't exist, and that's most likely not your desired effect.

And Beo, update your damn sig.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Aw balls forgot about that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really don't want to RP being a cripple, simply because I cannot back up what I spent years becoming because of my current internet.


I don't think you need to roleplay a cripple when I play Vasco I don't act weak at all and as a ninjitsu tamer with no armor or pets he's pretty much useless. I compensate however by always having body guards come with me when I go out to meetings with him so if the **** ever hit the fan I could just smoke bomb and let my guildies deal with it. If none of your guildies are capable at pvp you could always hire some muscle. It creates some more rp and actually gives some of the merc guilds something to do.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:24 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what you mean about satellite. We had that for a while and it was awful. I used to cuss at the DirectTV lady when she would say "Faster Everything!" It may have fast downloads and Internet, but it is not fast for playing games.

We use Cox Cable now. Won't change to anything else, not even AT&T DSL. I have fast Internet and I still can't PVP. I've got a macro keyboard and can't even figure out how to program it. Hopefully things will get better for you.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah Cein used to talk more trash before she was decent at pvp. She actually calmed down after she became passing decent. LOl Funny how that worked out. I'm not overly worried about it, as I don't get into that sort of situation much these days.

It is annoying, though. At events and such, when walking is faster than riding a horse!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Vaen Swiftar wrote:
I remember when Thrax wanted someone to be the embodiment of Oggaroth. He knew he couldn't handle the PvP aspect of it himself, so he went out to ask some people. He had contacted myself and Spawn, as he knew we were good PvPers and could do the role justice. At the time I wasn't too into UO, so that made the choice a lot easier and he went with Spawn



Ah the Spawnaroth days, those were good times
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Pvp can enhance the character you are trying to play, but it should always be taken into account what -you- want. If you are a blind sage, you probably shouldn't be good at pvp. If you are a Champion, you should probably not be terrible. In the context of roleplaying, anything is possible, but it should make sense. I always thought RPers, for the most part, were not expected to be amazing pvpers. Paying attention to your pvp skills can add some spice to a very fun game, however, it should be kept in mind that your goal is RP, not ownage.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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Darrien Church is a perfect example. He's a "powerful Lich Lord" that can do an obscene amount of rituals and what have you. But can't fight worth a damn. He knows this, so he avoids it on his character, or thinks of clever ways to take care of it. He doesn't try to claim that his "powerful Lich Lord" will one vs one anyone, and win.


Razz Thanks Josh!

But on a more serious note, yes, it's something that I as a role-player have always been mindful of. I'll share my thought process on Darrien.

Darrien Church, as the last in a line of a long and rich setting for evil RP on the ARPC does have, due to specific community items and the general mantle of Lichdom an array of very powerful spells and abilities at his disposal. To avoid what would be an emote-fest of sheer godmoding pwnage I've always considered the following:

1- With the Ebon Skull [i](Direct Source of an OES Lich Lord's powers and abilities) gone Darrien is much more inhibited and weaker then his predecessors due to circumstance. He operates on much less entropic energy and cannot call on Oblivion as quickly, ergo he is very cautious about how, when and to whom he uses large amounts of energy for fear of weakening himself.

2-He is, while a Lich Lord, still a skeleton. So, while magically he is quite powerful, his body would be very very weak. Therefore I've always rped him as being very careful to avoid direct physical confrontation. Darrien also fancies himself a sort of god and sees taking the field as beneath him. I do this essentially because I'm a horrid pvper, and so while keeping up Darrien's very arrogant bravado I found a way to explain why he was always less then eager to enter any sort of combat situation without compromising my character. This also explains why when a warrior finally does come within range they can destroy Darrien. As a point of reference, I always worked hard of nothing else to make Darriena heavy hitter spell-wise to keep up that appearance of magically powerful, physically weak.

3- When a major show of strength or power -IS- rped, it is always after the GM of the specific guild I'm interacting with, or the specific person I'm acting with has been consulted and is generally done to advance or end a plot. This is something that is quite commonly seen in the community from our more "magical" and rply stronger rpers. Ceinwyn is another good example, never forcing her character's specific abilities on anyone to hinder or undermine them, but using them to further plot-lines after discussing it with the parties involved.

4-The real idea is not to beat your character's special abilities to death. Don't perpetually pull out all the stops, use your special abilities ect...
It gets boring and can be unfair to those RPers who are talented pvpers if they need to RP being subdued or defeated constantly to appease you.

The same above four points would apply to PvPers too I'd say, and since he stroked my ego, let me stroke his...Beo.

Beo can destroy me in PvP, but when our characters have interacted he has always approached me taking into consideration my character's extra abilities with a sense of hesitation. I always felt that although when it came to direct fights he won, it really set the mood for us and our plots as well as for our guild-mates on either side.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

All good points. One of the things that has always annoyed me is when someone RP's something really powerful, walks up to you, and...

*chokes u until u die wit teh magicz of teh gods*

*with his last final breath, shoots an arrow through your neck, killing you*

One of these emotes is made up. The other actually happened. Both are chuckleworthy. But yeah, that is that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:16 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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*with his last final breath, shoots an arrow through your neck, killing you*


TBH, I'd rather be godmode killed in one shot than by some long and drawn out godmode BS that sounds almost credible. Its the latter that gets people thinking that it almost sounds like good roleplay; guess what, its still godmoding.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

*Mind controls Kuja, makes him re-open his UO account and makes him RP*


By the way, Vaen. I pick the second choice as being real.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen people in their last hours of life..let alone last minutes or seconds..I dont think its at all possible to muster up the strength to shoot an arrow..Let alone one with accuracy enough to hit the neck and penatrate the skin. Razz
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