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Cal Hurst
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Mairsil wrote:
I agree that if you rp your character is a great fighter you should be able to back it up - however - this is abused most of the time. Whether your character is a great fighter or not because you are is not an excuse for puting pvp before rp.

Someone who is a great pvper who goes around kicking people in the nuts demanding wahtever they want and doing whatever they want becuse most other rpers dont have a chance of killing them is a bad thing for role play - and I see that happen alot.

Rp first, pvp is an aid to rp.


I wouldn't say it is abused "most" of the time. Very rarely do I see it "abused." And when it does become an issue, it is most often solved quickly between GMs, or even the players themselves.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:13 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say it is common enough. But to a certain degree it is unavoidable.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:16 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Vaen here. If you want to play a bad ass powerful warrior/mage/lich or whatever, you need to put in more effort than just saying you are. At least if you expect other characters to go along with it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Zarlox, I just think that RP still needs to come before pvp and too often does not.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh yes, I do agree with the rp before pvp part. That part should never be in question.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:21 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Always RP before PvP. I normally do not even mention it as it should be understood by all.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition to some of Vaen's points, I would add that the more consistent the template is with my character's personality, the more 'in character' I feel. The chick I enjoy rp'ing the most has a template in which all of her skills are true to her character (Brittany). Actually, I chose her skills as her character developed. For example, when she wanted to learn how to cook for her husband, I trained cooking. (After all, her first batch made him deathly ill...) When she wanted to take music lessons, I trained musicianship. And so forth and so on...

I'm not saying I need the template to play Brittany, I'm just saying I like the way it feels to know her skills back up her claims. Ask Brit to bake some cookies for you, and she'll whip up an exceptional pan. Ask her to play the harp, and it will be on key. Ask her to swing a mace and she'll try, but most likely drop it on her (or your) foot.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:54 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Mairsil wrote:
I agree that if you rp your character is a great fighter you should be able to back it up - however - this is abused most of the time. Whether your character is a great fighter or not because you are is not an excuse for puting pvp before rp.

Someone who is a great pvper who goes around kicking people in the nuts demanding wahtever they want and doing whatever they want becuse most other rpers dont have a chance of killing them is a bad thing for role play - and I see that happen alot.

Rp first, pvp is an aid to rp.


Not that I am directly replying to your point, but I thought of this after I read your post: RP first, because good roleplay is about creativity. There is nothing creative in being 'I r teh uber baddasszsd!!!1111one' and roleplaying an uberwarrior or ubermage or whatever stereotype we've been picturing.

So, I guess to summarize... I'll add on to what you said. Good, creative roleplay > PvP > bad awful i-am-super-powerful-demigod-mage-pie-toronto-honda-android roleplay.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:53 am Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been something I have had issues with over the years.

I have never stated that any of my toons that they were the best in the game at pvp. In fact, I stunned my son when we were at the Den of Sin when I told him that Swiftar could beat Tai. He did not believe me and I asked Vaen to tell him it was so.

I try to rp that my guys know their limits. I was raised IRL to never let your mouth write a check your tukas cannot cash.

What I dislike is someone saying something like "Grabs you by the throat.*

Godmoding irritates me. Do not get me wrong, I have done my share of it in the beginning. I used to "steal kisses* from various women as Poet before I realized they had no way to not be godmoded in that. I learned to say "attempts.*
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:32 am Post subject: role playing Reply with quote

I like to think I am a good role player. The key to good role play is to put personality behind the character. You could role play being the god of all pvpers. But if your tukas gets handed to you, it would have to be everytime not just once in a while, then expect to be treated as a joke. But this in itself can be developed into good role play, if you do not mind being a joke, i.e. "oh, the sun was in my eyes" or "he got lucky" or "my good sword was in my other suit".
If everyone in the game were perfect, it would be boring role play. The fun comes from the diverse group with diverse personalities and eccentricities. However, if you want to role play being the bad tukas warrior, and have it stick, then you have to be able to kick butt. It does not mean you have to win each time, but your name has to be "feared".
Example: The name Achilles struck fear on the battlefield because he was "invincible". Lord Voldemort, from Harry Potter, strikes fear into the others because he is vile and ruthless, and can back it up.
Very few are kick butt pvpers. Most of those are more interested in "pwning" the rest of the UO world. On the other hand, a great deal of players are competent pvpers. Each player must know their limits and work with it.
Just my two cents worth.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to do a lot of 'fel pvp' and big ground fights always ended with trash talk like ' noobs u need twice as many to kill us' 'can't win without ganking' 'hacking losers' etc etc.

My friends brought me to the RP world and I enjoyed it a lot more, cause there are stories behind the fight, the role play is always there. The role play start the fight and continues during and after the 'pvp' is over. Well, hopefully at least...

I haven't been role playing much on ATL because I've been busy, but where I came from before I transferred here, it felt to me like it was just pvp for no reason. There was no real story or background to it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:15 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Vaen Swiftar wrote:
That's why there is PvP! Don't RP some uber combat warrior or awesome spellcasting lich if you can't back it up.


100% AGREED!

wow didnt see all of vaens other posts, i agree with ya 100% on all of it, not quoting it all. what i see people do too much is not try to PVP with out RP alot, its the people who are blue saying *tries to rip out your heart* and stupid stuff like that, the stupid godmodding emotes. it is exactly that reason, everyone wanting to be uber warriors and spellcasters that everyone should be green or orange to everyone else in RP
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:29 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

While on the subject there is something i have observed that goes along with what is being said here.

For instance, let’s take the Giovanni, they are good PvPers there is no question about it and they like to PvP. They are also good RPers that happen to play a clan that is basically Organized Crime.

For them to say something IC like "IF you sell your items here you have to give us a cut or else" or “If you don’t pay us we will break your legs” Would be what they would say. They make threats!

The problem is, I see way to many thinking that they are making threats and trying to strong arm others because they are good PvPers and this is not true, they don't want to fight anyone that doesn't want to fight them!

Much too often, the assumption is made if you’re a good PvPer you’re not an RPer and if you are a good PvPer you’re making threats because you know you can kick the other persons arse. When in actuality they are just staying true to the characters they play.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm happy to see my post has started a conversation not exactly what I expected but thats life hehe so I'll roll with it.

I agree with Vaen I always find it annoying when people roleplay being high and mighty but walk around wearing royal leggings of embers and armor with crappy resists. I've been guilty more than once of acting big and bad myself but I'd like to think I can back it up and whenever I'm around people that I know are better than me or close to equal me I always treat those people with respect. Now I'm not saying that you have to be good at pvp yourself to be qualified to act tough but I do think if you can't back it up yourself you should be surrounded by people that can do it for you.

*Note Royal leggings of embers can be icorporated into a good suit and there have been good pvpers that use them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: strong arm Reply with quote

That is where good role play comes in. A good role player will see it as the "strong arm" tactics and not a personal threat. They will either submit or try to find protection.
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