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Har'aak Tor
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: Roleplaying Reply with quote

I was cleaning today and I happened to find my old UO guide book it was published in 1997 and almost everything in it is out of date. I did find two pages in it though that I thought were kind of interesting.
And yes its pretty beat up hehe





I've always had a hard time explaining to some people the idea of roleplay but I think those two pages explain it verywell.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Yahar. I have my copy aswell.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

The oldest copy I have is Ultima Online: The Second Age... That's when I started playing for the first time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a lot of wisdom in there. Whoever wrote that had a good idea of how player roleplay would develop, and tackled quite a few of the problems in advance. Interesting. I'd say that the only thing they could have harped on more is when the vast majority wants to be Debrah the Bandit Princess and not enough people want to be Jael The Hunter-Or-Equally-Peasantlike-Role.

Good find.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I've managed to find two UO guides and AOS guide and every disc dating to second age. Ahh shelf, you finally have a use.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:21 pm Post subject: tati the crafter Reply with quote

That has always been my observation. Too many want to be gods and not enough want to be trod upon. *grins* Thus my preference for the trod upon.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why there is PvP! Don't RP some uber combat warrior or awesome spellcasting lich if you can't back it up.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I would proclaim thread jack, but the title was "Roleplay" so I suppose it's open ended. PvP power and Character power shouldn't be the same thing. Stabbing nigh anything kills it, but on the inverse, you don't kidnap the president. But just because you can shoot lightning from a book doesn't meaning rolling up on you and stabbing you in the kidney four times won't kill you.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

For quite some time, PvP power and Character power have been the same thing, and that's how it should be imo (minus the obvious ritual stuff). But I stick firm to my belief that someone should not run around RPing a great mystical warrior, or an knowledable and powerful spellcaster, if your skills and your PvP can't back it up.

It would be silly to have Roleplayer A RPing some great warrior, and Roleplayer B RPing some miner. The two get into a fight under perfect circumstances, and Roleplayer B mops the floor with A.

RP with what your personal ability is, as well as what skills your character has.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:26 am Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree with what vaen says, if you rp something that is warrior or spellcaster based and it is combat stuff then your pvp ability should back up that rp.... i've seen it on eur, people who say they have killed so meny thousands, but when it comes to actual pvp the only skill they have is a quick recall or 120 in running in the oppersit direction...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright. And what of things like..striking someone over the head or planting an explosive charge? If it deals 2 damage are you going to roleplay such? You nearly threw me into the void, and I would have let you, because I had no way out. Scripting RP and limiting it is useless. Skull and the old Lighties used to have a general idea, then they rolled up and if you got offed, you got offed. Relic got broken, it was gone. PvP skill and ability to kill are gravely different. Black belts get shot in the head, grandmaster swordsman catch a pick axe to the head.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:55 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Nh'bdy wrote:
Alright. And what of things like..striking someone over the head or planting an explosive charge? If it deals 2 damage are you going to roleplay such? You nearly threw me into the void, and I would have let you, because I had no way out. Scripting RP and limiting it is useless. Skull and the old Lighties used to have a general idea, then they rolled up and if you got offed, you got offed. Relic got broken, it was gone. PvP skill and ability to kill are gravely different. Black belts get shot in the head, grandmaster swordsman catch a pick axe to the head.


I'm not seeing your point, or perhaps we are debating two different things. My point, ultimately is, if you can't back up what you RP, then don't RP it. End of story. Explosive charges and emote combat are one thing. But if someone is going to pretend to be a badass warrior, or a legendary spellcaster, then atleast have the ability to back that stuff up. There's nothing more anticlimactic than a supposed Legendary Wizard fizzling magic arrow.

Ultimately, what I'm saying is, if you plan to RP something, be ready to back it up. I would expect someone who roleplays having a powerful dragon pet to actually have taming. It would be silly otherwise.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:01 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Well we can agree power can consist very differently I hope. If there is a mage running around with mad power levels exceeding 9000 standard metric mage power units, then I hope we can respect he could cast some new-corn-hole-effying spell that would wipe the realm, I wouldn't mess with that dude. Like if Azalin came in on a new character fresh from Haven and told me I was dust, I would assume I had indeed been turned to dust. I think exceptions need to be made to the "Lawls I can pwn ju" method of thinking.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Nh'bdy wrote:
Well we can agree power can consist very differently I hope. If there is a mage running around with mad power levels exceeding 9000 standard metric mage power units, then I hope we can respect he could cast some new-corn-hole-effying spell that would wipe the realm, I wouldn't mess with that dude. Like if Azalin came in on a new character fresh from Haven and told me I was dust, I would assume I had indeed been turned to dust. I think exceptions need to be made to the "Lawls I can pwn ju" method of thinking.


No one's character would ever be that good. Not even Azalin's. Such characters are reserved for the EMs themselves.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:05 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that if you rp your character is a great fighter you should be able to back it up - however - this is abused most of the time. Whether your character is a great fighter or not because you are is not an excuse for puting pvp before rp.

Someone who is a great pvper who goes around kicking people in the nuts demanding wahtever they want and doing whatever they want becuse most other rpers dont have a chance of killing them is a bad thing for role play - and I see that happen alot.

Rp first, pvp is an aid to rp.
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