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Ceinwyn ab'Arawn
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

What I was referring to about hitting enter before I can speak, are various other games. Silkroad, Guildwars, etc.

I tried NWN, but I'd rather play that one single player.

When I try new games, I like to get the feel for them first, before just leaping into roleplaying. I guess when I found UO, it just had amazed me so much (2000) that I could start out as a tailor being killed by a damn cat. I don't know, just so many memories, plus we are making more memories.

I had always roleplayed, I suppose. By that I mean imagined I was the character, had a backstory for my character, etc. My character wrote a few books ingame on her adventures and such. I did my own little thing in game for a year before I ran into or learned that there was a whole inner community of roleplayers here on atlantic.

I was shopping at someone's vendor, and the vendor NPC started speaking to me. I was surprised, until i realized there was a person hidden under it, restocking it. He invited me to tea, which was a new concept, hehe we didn't have tea ingame, and this was a person actually acting back at me, rather than my own first person point of view adventures. So my character, Ceridwyn, had tea with him and then he took me to meet his family, the Druids of Britannia.

I liked the concept so much, I joined the guild and got into the interaction. At this time, they still didn't interact much with the rest of the actual roleplay community. That changed after an accidental run in with a few people of the actual community. It was at brit gate tram, some orcs characters (imagine my surprise! people pretending to be orcs, who the hell would want to do that?!) they were attacking a girl at the gate asking for tribute. Then they ran away. I spoke to her for a while and thought to myself, hey I'll pass this info on to Lord Valimus, maybe he would like to have our druids get involved in this story. So I acted as the in between for a while, and found out about Sanctus and the hostel. I started bringing other druids to the tavern.

Ahh I am off on another typical Deathwisp tangent. lol

Let's just say it was the fact that I fell in love with roleplay on UO first, not because of the game mechanics or graphics. (I bought the game by accident to start with).

I love the Ultima Storyline and rejoice whenever Ultime Online does anything remotely resembling it.

I disagree with the community's deviation from true Ultima lore, but I do love when other lore from other games is brought in. I love fantasy. I don't know if that makes me sound odd or look like a hypocrite. "jen what the hell, how can you say you want it to stay true to ultima lore but yet we have White Wolf lore in RP" etc. I don't know, but for the most part it's true. I love it all. That's why I give lore classes every Thursday to my people. Granted, it's all skewed from Ceinwyn's point of view. for example, the falsity of virtue, based on a twisted view of Sherry's book.

I'll probably be with Ultima Online until they stop running it. And then? Maybe a free shard of Ultima Online, or I'll fish around and see if there's anything close to it. One of those two.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I love RP inspite of the insanity it can bring...it adds an entire new aspect to the realm of the game. I will also probably play till UO goes the way of the dodo, and by then hopefully Vanguard will be up to par. Visually it is beautiful.

I like the ability to be so many different things as an RPer, you can be an opposite of your true self. Develop a character etc. It allows for creativity of thought. I've had a lot of fun over the years (been playing since 9Cool. Watching the changes, meeting new people and seeing how just like the real world, Sosaria evolves as well.

You can still be or do pretty much whatever you want. There is nothing else quite like it. As far as the games I have played like WoW, it is almost impossible to RP and there is no housing. NWN, the private servers have great stuff but again there are still limits.

I play to have fun...the same with RP. At time it isn't always like that, but you roll with the punches and move on...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly off-topic, but oh wow, your post brings back the memories Cein. Valimus was one of my early UO-encounters who got me into RP along with a few others. In true RP-fashion, Valimus determined that Arcana was not suited to the life of a druid and packed me off to Trinsic to train with a paladin (back in the old days when you had to RP the whole mess) he knew there. Fun times.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I have played UO off and on since 98. I have ventured away to other MMORPG's, sought out RP and been dissapointed. I'd always come back here.

I RP cause I'm a Toy's R Us Kid. I don't want to grow up. I don't want to ever lose that imagination side of me. I don't want to lose the ability to dream and pretend. Sounds like Corn, I know, but thats why I do it.

UO is just a pig play ground where you can surround yourself in an Epic world.

I have been looking at a game called DarkFall, looks pretty frick'n cool. Has alot of RP potential. I will play UO till the wheels fall off. Darkfall might become a second home.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Valimus is awesome. When he returned to Uo for a couple weeks a couple years ago, I was GM of Druids. The guild went through some leadership changes, but I came back and reclaimed control of it and made his character the GM, after removing all the other members. I did it so that the abbreviation would be preserved for him.

What I did with the remaining druids that were at all active and went for it, I had them join a new guild called Order of Oaks. The druid story continuing with more dedication to Lord Oaks (he is the champ spawn guy in ilshenar with all the pixies). Tavish is the GM of that guild now, and it is mostly inactive.

Valimus rocked in so many ways. Bagball games and quests to be promoted were just a couple. He was generous and laid back, friendly to all. Well, almost all. His character went red after he performed Leshok's wedding because he went through a red gate to kill a griefer in fel. The guy deserved it though. The griefer, not valimus.

He was a good guy. Druids were all about justice and life. Just like Jaana.\

I think I've successfully turned this thread into a tribute to Valimus.

On topic though, the people are a big reason I still play UO. Once and a while there's creeps, but it's usually just other people trying to have some fun that isn't at the expense of everyone else. I know every game has that, but this game feels more comfortable for me. It is a better atmosphere in my opinion.

I guess to answer Dan's question:

UO just does it for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what you mean about those old memories from the early days, but they do the opposite for me; after looking at those old memories, I immediately look at what the game has for me now, and the contrast between the two is all I need to see. It just isn't near the UO that I enjoyed, and I can't squeeze enjoyment out of this incarnation of UO; blood from a turnip. That thougth is in regards to the game, mind you, not the RP community; the latter is a whole 'nother rant that I won't get into (again).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Drama (the good kind!) and fantasy, have been in my blood since I was a kid who staged plays for neighborhood parents in my cousins' carport (as we called a wall-less garage for those who don't know).

I also like setting the stage for roleplay and moving it along with stories, getting people involved and then enjoying the ride wherever it leads.

To me, roleplay in UO is a vehicle for limitless imaginative excursions into fantasyland with people of all ages of like ilk; potentially a welcomed diversion from RL stress and difficulties. In short, a wonderful, escapistic, hobby.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

heh well, I might just be an optimist after all. It says in the other post below, Pisces live in a dream world.

That stuff from the old days of RP doesn't make me sad at all. It inspires me to keep working to improve.

What does anger me are the people who quit for whatever reason that take the yearly free month of UO that ea gives us just to come in and walk around for a few days and then leave. Then they come onto forums and complain about how UO roleplay is completely dead or down the drain or the game is too different and that they long for the old days of pvp and rp etc. They piss me off because they immediately toss hands up in the air due to some run in or another and that's it. To them, I'd just have to say, give it another try dammit. If you had a bad situation somewhere, try somewhere else. You will find your niche if you keep looking. that is, if you really want to in the first place.

RP isn't just about the game, hell people did this stuff in 100% text formats.

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Also, many problems come from the use of forums and other ooc mediums. They have their uses for coordination and such, but IMO it should be limited. I almost passed out from shock the other day when I heard someone was using 7 different forms of messenger while roleplaying. 7 different ones on top of vent!! Holy Hell how do you do that?? I can barely traffic icq alone when I am in UO and absorbed in roleplay. And my mind zones ventrilo completely out when I am focusing. It is no wonder I find people simply standing still sometimes in game. I try to talk to them but many times it takes them several minutes to respond to each sentence.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that to me is the problem, and the difference between that carport, or "the D&D basement" or wherever our acting/pen-and-paper roots (if applicable) were; in a game like UO that is not made for roleplay (or even all that concered with it), and has poor customer service, let alone no support for griefing roleplay in any way shape or form (Hugo used to remove griefers, but he is either gone, fired, told he can't do it anymore, or not from india).

So I ask you, what would've happened if some moron thought he was funny and came into that carport and started shouting at the top of his lungs and mooning people and you couldn't do anything about it (couldn't punch him in the face, couldn't have the police remove him because they wouldn't even show up to look at what he was doing) etc? What if some guy came into your D&D basment and stomped on your books and was a huge asshat and interrupted your roleplay, and there was nothing you could do but watch? After roleplaying in NWN and having real pen and paper games going, that is what I feel about roleplay in UO in regards to griefers.

Not that you were talking about griefers. Just another side rant.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Ceinwyn ab'Arawn wrote:
What does anger me are the people who quit for whatever reason that take the yearly free month of UO that ea gives us just to come in and walk around for a few days and then leave. Then they come onto forums and complain about how UO roleplay is completely dead or down the drain or the game is too different and that they long for the old days of pvp and rp etc. They piss me off because they immediately toss hands up in the air due to some run in or another and that's it. To them, I'd just have to say, give it another try dammit. If you had a bad situation somewhere, try somewhere else. You will find your niche if you keep looking. that is, if you really want to in the first place.


Do you know how many times I used to yell at oldies for that? Razz I got in quite a few flamewars on forums and IRC alike. All I have to say in reply to that is... When you've walked in their shoes, seen it from their perspective, and experienced whatever it was that made them leave and not want to return, well, you might see why they say what they say.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Steveabis, I've been through some drama myself. Probably not as bad as the stuff I hear about sometimes. It was quite frustrating, though. I just make a different char and rp random stuff for a little while until things settle down. And they usually do within a few weeks.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone becomes a crusty old vet eventually, no matter how much you swear you'll never become like that. 'Tis inevitable.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

i just like to RP, pretty simple. Oh and kill monsters and stuff too
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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Either way, I might have gone off track a bit (you might have been referring to you, the player, as an average joe, and not your character... I'm not awake enough to tell, I just had the rant and wanted to type it out), but a lot of the things I spoke/ranted about do have roots in the lack of Average Joes and Janes, or rather, a reluctance/inability to properly play a character that is interesting without the interest coming from a strange race, royalty/nobility, leadership of some sort, a hugely improbable past history, incredibly strange personality quirk, etc.


I was referring to me, as a player, who knew how to Roleplay. Dan, the character, wasn't exactly an "average joe", but he wasn't any hero either.

I would have to say the biggest frustration for me, really, wasn't in the Roleplaying quality itself but what to do with it. Sure I can talk to probably anyone out there who can act right and emote correctly, but for the most part...well...it was almost like I was afraid to start trouble really, and trouble is where the fun is! Lets say I started a character that wanted nothing to do but fight Umbra officials just because he has a prejudice against them. Sure, the conflicts are great, but then the concequences may pop up of on me with labels of KOS'er or some kind of drama king or something, and neither of those are things I've ever wanted for my character, nor me as a player.

Basically, being peaceful is easy but its boring. I just thought causing crap had a much better chance of getting you blacklisted OOC-wise than how it really would.

So what makes an acceptable troublemaker?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I think an acceptable troublemaker is one who badmouths, causes issues and such, without the KOS first. If the RP merits it, then fight. I'm thinking of quite a few chars when I say this. The orcs had being a troublemaker down to an art. They start with being annoying/ badmouthing, and just establishing themselves as being a troublemaker. Stay true to the char, most will go along with it. In fact, I agree, the troublemaker brings alot of fun to the game. I loved RPing with Gorgon, who Hit on/ harrassed/ cursed and tried to kill Dory when she mouthed off to him. Yet, he kept it all in char.

Another troublemaker for my char was one of yours, Jode. I even enjoyed just random trouble of us both going to Hanse's, and desecrating the place. I think as long as you stick to your char, and do not godmode when someone ic reacts upset, you are fine. If you desecrate Sanctus in front of ten Sanctans, expect to be attacked/ arrested/ both! It will cause drama if you don't accept the consequence of your actions. Also, consider the source of who you are causing trouble. There are a few drama causers that would be upset because you are harming their little toon. I seriously just shrug and continue. Not much you can do. If they are relatively new, I party them, and explain it is ic, not ooc. If not, I just basically ignore their rant or party them to say, it's ic, get over it. Razz
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