Atlantic Roleplay Community Boards

Lady LaBelle · Adventurer Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 84

I am reading the IC board post by Molly.
Not the dictionary definition... I have asked this to be clarified before...When you say "Community", is it ARPC, FAR, a combination? Or is is it the citizens of Britannia IC IC IC ?

Am I right to sum this up as an enity with more OOC buisness than in, formed OCC but with an IC presense, something of a mediation organization between guilds. Please clarify the following quote, and again, answering my initial question will help me understand what this is IC and OOC.

Ceinwyn ab'Arawn · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 5017

LaBelle, I'm not 100% sure, but I think the IC post was made as just a proposal from Molly, as she is one of the candidates in the election. After seeing Sid post one, I'm pretty sure she was just following the same template/footsteps and posting one of her own.. I.E. "this is what will happen IF I'm elected" type of thing.

However, during the course of her IC post, it seems to stray a bit OOC, which leaves me confused as well. I'm not sure if it is IC or OOC or a mix. Hopefully Molly will clarify it.

Drayden Calamyr · Sage Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 612

Thats 100% correct Cein. Now if they go OOC in it, well thats of course their choice/mistake. Most important idea on these propositions is that they state their stand on in an IC way. If they wish to add OOC thoughts and what not thats fine, but it should be noted if done that way.

The nominees are posting propositions for government that they represent and wish to see implemented. Wether or not this is replacing current government or appending it is completely up to them. I am trying to withdraw Drayden from said story, since the OOC fire that it's drawn.

I am waiting to see each nominee's proposition before carrying on and withdrawing Drayden from this. I don't want to cause strife any more than necessary. That will be done IC and he will most likely see if anyone wants to carry it on. I'm still at an empass as to wether or not I want to carry this flag onward though, so don't take that as my final answer Smile

If there is a want then I most likely will.

Ceinwyn ab'Arawn · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 5017

I don't think the person who is elected should decide what type of government or whatever it will be. That would mean a whole new government every 6 months...

I think term of office should be decided BEFORE anyone is elected, other wise we could get someone in who never wishes to leave.

I don't know how it is so shoddily organized as it is.

Lady LaBelle · Adventurer Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 84

Ahh each candidate offers their own proposal.
Right then. Choosing a leader and
their choice of Government is an awful load,
as the Drow mentioned.
But I do understand then how this is still the
same plot I thought I was watching. Thanks Drayden!
Looking forward to someone else to clarify the rest.

~Player of LaBelle~

Drayden Calamyr · Sage Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 612

I will post the proposal that The Order has for the voting system. once everyone has posted what they want the governement to be (nominees that is.)

Then we can hold a vote that will decide what form will be used.

Then we can hold the vote of who will be appointed as head of this government, depending on which system is used.

Arines · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:36 am Post subject:

Labelle, there are right now two separate RP communities as it stands. FAR and ARPC. For something such as this proposal to work you would need full cooperation from both.

Which isn't occuring. Mainly because of actions by certain people here that decided to "dismiss" and entire governing body wothout being a part of it nor Rping it the right way. We have all gone in circles with this it is evident that the parties involved will continue to go on with this regardless of protocol.

The big change that needs to take place is more interaction in a positivie manner. This whole elctions thing isn't it. Especially since it has come forth from OOC motivations hidden under the veil of RP.

Molly's intent was to follow suite now that this has become a "plot", I use that term lightly based on the fact not all parties consented to said "plot". However, unlike Sid she left room for response. Where he had his proposal locked and made that a bit more difficult.

If you read between the lines here there is a lot of tapdancing. I can only speak of my perspective. As far as the mediation part, I don't remember the regency or FAR asking for nor wanting one.
_________________
"There is in every true woman's heart a spark of heavenly fire, which lies dormant in the broad daylight of prosperity; but which kindles up, and beams and blazes in the dark hour of adversity." -Washington Irving-

Drayden Calamyr · Sage Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 612

First of all, I don't blame him for locking the post, considering how much ire has been taken for this.

It was a statement of his proposal. Not asking everyone if that was okay. Nor was he looking for input. As you no doubt noticed. It was on the IC boards.
I don't want this to turn into another flame fest. I've been over all this before with said parties and I will not argue any more about it. I conceded on that debate.

Secondly:
You all are entitled to your opinion and I have no place telling anyone what "proper RP" is. Just like most here shouldn't be so quick to tell others how something is to be roleplayed by a certain character.

The Regency nor FAR has never acknowledged this whole thing. Thus they are being treated as such. I gave up on trying to explain myself as did most of the others involved.

As far as who dismissed the Regency, that was done IC by Sid as a political manuever I would imagine. Who gave Sid the right to? Ask Sid.
Did he necessarily care if he was "not involved"? Probably not. All reasons have occurred in the REAL past for revolts. Why not here?

I'll finish with this:
Instead of speculating, and basing opinions on what others have said or what others think, try asking those who are directly trying to implement this "plot", as you call it. Mainly me. People take this the wrong way, thinking they can discuss it with me and debate etc etc to change its course. If that is your motivation for speaking with me about it then I won't be much help, and we'll probably end up getting into a serious arguement. Depending on which side of the fence you're on of course.

Greyskull · Seasoned Veteran Joined: 31 Dec 2003 Posts: 386

The thing that amuses me the most is people continue to think there really are two seperate communities... yet you monkies intermingle on a daily basis.

RP for RP, not for a super group of egocentric nits who feel the need to get their way or try to force you to do things to their own personal standards.

have fun with those you have fun with, ignore the retarded 12yr old (mentally anyways) griefers who feel that causing you stress is the fun way to play the game.

What isnt needed is another splinter supergroup. its going to cause more stress over time if not done correctly (pick a super group that has yet to have 0 drama... go ahead i dare ya!).

If Mollys plan is to pull the 2 so-called communities under one umbrella as it were, then its sadly not going to work for everyone. Why? because you people continue to hold grudges about crap that happened years ago, or someone stepped on someone elses little ego bubble and popped it, or gosh darnitall stole someones chacolate supply.

If its going to work, then the solution is easy yet unattainable, make the proposals needed to get it moving and leave your ego at the door... that includes the Madam who made the proposal in the first place.

Tarothin Armunn · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject:

A community is a bunch of peeps that have some kind of correlation and interaction with each other.

RP peeps are RP peeps that RP... and peep.

That eventually get chewed up by a monster peep that goes mwamuawmwam (chewing noise) and then spit out on a flat surface to be squished and molded together and then placed into a jar to be put on the bookshelf next to other jars... of peeps.

Yum...I mean what, what? Crazy kids...

Thrax · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject:

Lady LaBelle, I asked Molly much the same question in PM fashion:

Thrax
To: Molly
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:16 am
Subject: Question
Your proposal sounds like it is an OOC thing to me. The word "Guild" is what makes me think that. "Guild" is OOC nomenclature. Which is it to be or is it both?

To which she replied:

From: Molly
To: Thrax
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: Question
"There has to be some kind of ooc meeting of the minds but this portion of it will play out in game for the most part.

I am planning on reinstituting the Consensus which will be the ooc portion of this idea and will not need to meet in game and rolepay it but will be a way to marry ideas and advance interactions of good and evil and neutral guilds.

When I was reading over the TWC and the Consensus papers that I ran across, I incorporated some of the good parts of past with what we hope for the future came up with this scenario."

I don't think she would care me posting this since it doesn't contain any earth shattering revelations as to the origin of elves or anything... and she hasn't replied to your question yet but she did mine. Hope it helps.

(Oh, I know "guild" is used IG, but it is generally connected to guilds as we know them, not the npc stuff; we don't use it too much ICly.)

Malo · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject:

The Community is just what Tharothin said it was... all “peeps” that RP. This group is made up of single individuals, some that come together to form guilds and guild Alliances. If a group of guilds come together for political or personal ideologies and form an organization such as FAR or ARP, that does not remove them from the community nor make them a separate community. Perhaps what has caused the confusion is that the Atlantic Role Play "Community" for many years was THE community until the schism.
Please allow me to use an analogy from real world History that might apply:
The Catholic church was the only Christian community for well over a thousand years. Then the Protestant church was formed and different ideologies attracted people to them. but they are all still Christians and part of the Christian Community.

Perhaps someone would like to define RP. I see it being used to mean several things such as when you meet IC, let’s say at a bank, you must RP before bashing the enemy. But then I see people saying in posts that "you can’t force RP on the regency". That would seem to be two diferent concepts of RP. Perhaps what is meant is you can’t force the Regency (or anyone for that matter) to join in your RP SCENARIO. How about some clarification?
_________________

Guildmaster of the Legion of Honor
You get more with a polite word and a sword than with just a polite word
"The most merciful thing in the world is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents"- H.P. Lovecraft

Walter · Sage Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 618 Location: -=Magincia=-

I agree with Taro. *gets back in his jar as a chewed up RP peep*
_________________

[20:28] Inkari: walter=chuck norris

"What do you mean I can't sell castle deeds I create on Ebay?" - GM Darwin circa 1999

Lady LaBelle · Adventurer Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 84

I was to wait for Molly's reply, I am sure she will as her time permitts.

Considering the information provided by Thrax; I am familiar with TWP Consensus and the like. If that is what she is leaning towards then I do understand. My confusion was that I was uncertain her post was to be considered with the IC plot of creating new governance, since it sounds to be more OOC such as the TWP and Consensus would be.

In response to the answers I recieved about defining a Community...save Tarothins, which I can literally think towards no response...*smiles*
Right, Community, all Role Players, no matter which FAR or ARPC, or those even without considering themselves either, and just using this board...then why is 'Community' referenced in IC posts and IG...is there a Role Playing Community IC IG I should be aware of?

Drayden, putting all of the Proposals under one thread is a good idea, to stave this confusion!

Lady Arines, I will not get into a conversation with you again. Let me say only, that you and no others are in charge in this place of what is "right Role Plays". The spaces between lines are too thin for me to read and I prefer ballet over tapdancing.

Malo, here is your link to what defines Role Play.
http://www.atlanticcommunityboard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14945

Skull that is Grey, you said it here, simply and best.

Arines · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject:

The guidlelines of RP are really clear, that was the point I was making. FAR and ARPC follow very similar guidelines. The difference is this, with how this "plot" started on FAR it would have been stopped and never allowed to continue.

No matter which way you slice it, it was started innaproriately. It is dissapointing to see the "community" go along with it especially under the circumstances that it began. Everyone seems to be forgetting that. The intermingling of the two separate IC communities is rather minimal.

Mainly due to OOC bs on both sides. To get things to work right that needs to be corrected first.
_________________
"There is in every true woman's heart a spark of heavenly fire, which lies dormant in the broad daylight of prosperity; but which kindles up, and beams and blazes in the dark hour of adversity." -Washington Irving-