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Teh Glouris Lrod Kujabis
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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In his defense though, with a strict RP enforcement type of set up, you will inevitably have to "remove" some bad RPers who just don't fit, the same as you'd kick someone who won't obey the rules from a guild. So, its not necessairily a bad thing that he's looking at a new setup from the outside. It does give you more control.


Therein lies my criticism, and it doesn't have to do with his plan, it has to do with the fact that Atlantic can rarely, if ever, pull together and unanimously vote to blacklist (because there is no power over the game and thus no 'banning') a specific person or guild that is undesirable, causing problems, or even directly breaking communities rules. Generally, if you can get 95% of the community to go with it, the other 5% will side with whoever is being kicked due to a common enemy, or someone will try and 'give them a second chance'. I can think of a certain individual from reading the Summit (back when I still had access) that was straight up that he was going to kill a specific guild repeatedly, and despite warnings all over the summit, this person was continually reguilded to new guilds, ending up with a grand total of like four guilds (and if you have guessed who I am talking about, you will be an unsuprised as I am to notice where he ended up).

There have been more instances of guilds or individuals that have harassed people or caused massive problems for them and were let go because of who they were friends with, who they could convince, who would buy into their whining; my critique, summarized, lies in the fact that no amount of structure or rules or systems can instantly fix that problem and keep it fixed for good.

I hate to play critic/realist and not give suggestions on how to improve the idea or what to do instead, but I have absolutely no suggestion on how to fix all this, especially not all at once; my suggestion, like I said, is to take things one at a time, and make things work instead of trying to 'fix' them; when people see that they CAN work, they'll stop BREAKING them while trying to keep looking innocent.

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Also, he acknowledges that there are things that need fixing in a very major way, and that is a good realization to have.


Definately. I remember from day one posting on atlantic roleplay boards (ahh, the TWP ones, good times) that things got swept under the rug as much as possible. At least now it isn't being swept under the rug without exception... I just hope someone comes up with a good idea on how to make things work for everyone, 'cause I'm fresh out of ideas.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say it. Kuja is right.

I totally agree with him. I am not surprised at all that that guy is in the guild he is in. Just as I am not surprised that that guild is NOT a part of the core list of official ARPC guilds, as they have not agreed to any of the rules listed herein. A guild wherein 102 members exist and 3-5 actually roleplay. A guild that noone wishes to be warred to because of it's infamous nature. A guild being totally backed by a member of this community who convinced several people of this community that forcing RP on FAR would make them want to interact with us.

But, noone sees the problem with this, at all. Why has there been no banning or blacklisting of this guild for repeated questionable things.. one of them being the GM itself threatened to destroy this very community in a post here in our very own forums?

Amazing, isn't it? And these so-called "I have rped in this com a very very long time, way before you were even born" old-timers are even some of them, themselves, joining this questionable guild. I found it not surprising to learn they had a history of drama, themselves.

This guild should pull out of all com related activities althogether, especially this regency fiasco, until it fixes its reputation. Other guilds have done it, so they should, as well.

As I told the GM of this guild, I don't give a damn how long ago you or anyone else roleplayed in this com, if you aren't trying to make things better.. I have no time for you at all, and neither does my guild.

Back to the topic- We have plots going on ingame RIGHT NOW. Why worry about needless extra rules and councils etc.. we already have one. It's called the Grand Senate, and it's for the GMs of the com who have agreed to the rules and are official guilds. All this extra junk everyone keeps trying to tie into some new reborn regency should ACTUALLY take place within the Senate, not create some new greif inducing regency-hybrid.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

*applauds Cein*

Well said. This is not in line with anything that will bring the community together other than finding a common enemy. The guidelines for RP are relatively clear. Perhaps now it is the time to put feet down and let people know what is and is not acceptable and make real the consequenses.

The fact that a GM and possibly GMs involved here is detrimental to the growth of the RP community. Forcing RP brings nothing but drama. For those that say they have been in the community since the begginning of time it is amazing how so few old timers that were around do remember them.

I am happy to see people are beginning to take a stand here. There are also numerous plots on both ends of the spectrum both on FAR and ARPC and in somecases there are some crossovers and meshing. OMG people working together *faints*!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: Reply with quote

This is how I see all of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBB-m1lfaqY

Enough said...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't get some of what's been said. I know I'm not everywhere in UO & don't know every single thing going on, but I really like how things are right now. From what I've seen, we're all getting along better these days and things, for the most part, are alot smoother now than say 2 or 3 years ago.
If anything can be a solid ingame testiment to that, then look at the most recent RP battle.

Sure, there's little things here and there I'd love to change as a personal preference, but most of those are more battle related (like Im pro gm only gear). Roleplay REGULATED?? I think it's regulated enough and is just fine now. The concept of regulating it anymore than it is frankly scares me. There has to be tollerance of others and has to be intollerance of the small few that purposefully try to screw things up.
We have a basic ruleset and leave it up to each guild to enforce that.
There will always be differences within the community. And sometimes things can and DO get woked out.

Yes, I am strict about my personal rp, but neither am I going to force that strictness on others, except D|O to a large degree. I train my 'new to rp troops' in part by taking them on walk abouts to see how others rp and to let them practice. They're going to mess up, probably alot, but that's how they learn. I do NOT miss the days where you could walk into a tavern, and a "lol" escapes and seems like everyone has a heartattack about it, and suddenly that person becomes the plague because of a simple mistake and is dubbed a twink. What's happening behind the scenes? in party chat they are corrected, they apologize, and they don't do it again. But too late, because of OVER regulating, their rp reputation in one moment is destroyed and takes months to fix.

IF we're talking about something like that? OVER regulating the roleplay and the roleplayers, then personally, I want no part of it. Been there, done that. Hated it. And left.

*(edited for niceness . grr)*
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: Reply with quote

"Written by the Dark Priest, Bal-Anon Dak"

*sniffle* I miss Bal..
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Ceinwyn ab'Arawn wrote:
Back to the topic- We have plots going on ingame RIGHT NOW. Why worry about needless extra rules and councils etc.. we already have one. It's called the Grand Senate, and it's for the GMs of the com who have agreed to the rules and are official guilds. All this extra junk everyone keeps trying to tie into some new reborn regency should ACTUALLY take place within the Senate, not create some new greif inducing regency-hybrid.


Exactly my concern, better than I could have put it into words at most times of the day, especially 5:50AM.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Politics? Well, I suppose to every community, it is an essential component, but let us try not to split a citizen's $12 dollars too many ways.

I have been in this community for merely a year, and some would say that I am not worthy to even speak of others as equals. Bolderdash! In the beginning, there had to be one to start the ball rolling, and since that time, others have followed suit.

As I wake up each morning and see the sun rise over the Collisium, I reflect on the ones whom I have met, the ones whom have brought much to the table and made Ultima Online so much more than just a game. You have made it a world, full of interesting people, places, times, and tales.

I look forward to working with each and everyone of you, young and old alike. I would hope that you will support me with my SCAR venture as I have supported you, the community, in all endeavors to make this a better community for all.

Let us not forget our balls!


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