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Bailos · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: Regency Discussion Thread

Hello folks

I realize there are many opinions concerning the news about the Regency. If I can be frank, stop making borderline IC posts that contain your real feelings and not those of your character, and discuss comfortably here.

Keep it civil and we'll all stay happy.

Spawn · Sage Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 556 Location: New York

To be honest...

I'm utterly confused as I thought Porthos was the Regent still. I went to this meeting last night and it went from in character tlak to out of character bashing in the matter of seconds.

I just don't know at this point...
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Mallory Ventrue · Lore Master Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Posts: 1139

I think a lot of people are not only confused, but torn. Last night was supposedly an IC event, and there was very little done other than being told that things were going to happen whether we like it or not. I think it is our right to respond how ever our characters would respond. I was there at the meeting, I am not godmoding, metagaming, whatever you want to call it. I think I am doing a darn good job of keeping my OOC feelings out of my IC response...
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Arines · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject:

Porthos is the Regent still, of anyone reads the minutes from the last meeting it was pretty clear. If the tables were turned someoen else would be up ina rms about it.
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Lady LaBelle · Adventurer Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 84

If a meeting is going to be ooc, then the announcement should have been as well. or perhaps the announcer thought herself it would be ic and it went very astray. I do not know.

I was very upset that it went ooc. It could have easily been kept ic. There are surely things going on ooc I am unaware of to make so many so very upset ooc that they would carry on at what was thought to be an ic event. I am sorry for their troubles.

Some misconceptions obviously exist ooc about the Regency. To clarify...
The Regency has been and I assume will remain an ic entity, not with the purpose of guiding or encouraging Role Plays...that makes no sense...But as an ic governing body..Now then, if you feel they do not commit to this, then use ic means to express such. It is not so difficult. But the Regency certainly has never been some entity which monitors, or encourages, teaches, ect Role Play. And it has never propagated that it hails over the entire "community", again a senseless notion.

While I am a human, and a player behind my character, and can become hurt by things done ic, it is imperative that those hurt feelings remain ooc, for the Role Plays to persist. I agree sometimes things done ic have a grand ooc tone or nature, but that is someone else's issue not one of mine. (nor should it be any of yours) I must move on and deal with things ic, or I should stop role playing all together then.

We should be sensitive to one another's feelings, I feel for very badly for the lady blacksmith last night who seemed utterly upset ooc and expressed it, as well as others...but I do not know the ooc situations, and so it was a very odd circumstance.

When we Role Play, I trust I speak for others as well, we do not intend it to be taken ooc, or to be lashed out against for ooc purpose within the role play venue...simple as that.

Again I stress I do not know what the ooc frustrations are less it is the misconception of the Regency's purpose. I am curious as to why so many more were present to this than to any Regency meeting where a Regent and his officials could have spoken. I do not understand that if ic so much concern for the Regency exists, but never at a Regency meeting. Someone explain. Perhaps you feel you could not speak, or you have no voice, perhaps the Role Play that goes on there incites you to believe that it is not a functioning government…then you should attend, speak or do not, even presence is Role Play…sometimes words are not always necessary, sometimes it may as in my case not fit your character to always speak. What have you.

Someone enlighten me please, if anything I have stated is wrong.

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Ditto Armunn · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject:

Yes, the confusion between the IC and the OOC was definatly there and a big problem for me. I took the worse RP character possible for me to that meeting because I was under a misconception as to what the meeting would involve. That misconception was no one's fault, but my own. Had I even suspected that it would involve trying to discuss a partly ooc issue by rp methods, Ditto would have been so no where near Skara. Trying to rp a character that is bored by discussions of politics, yet in ooc I have an opinion to be voiced as a player about the issue, was hard as heck. I did a poor job of it, but I tried.
I felt so bad for LaBelle. She tried hard to keep order, and some did listen. I thought it was mostly ooc til she said something.

Listening to the disscussion, all the speakers, the differing opinions, did help me understand alot though. In the end, I still came away with my same opinion on the subject matter, but was able to empathize and understand more with the people who don't share that same opinion.
There were some people there I did purposfully "tune out", like the naked guy. Nice ab's though.

As for Porthos, I was under the belief ooc that he had stepped down. Either way, my opinion would've stayed the same, unless he'd been there and possibly had given, by discussion/speech, a reason for me to change it.
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Lady LaBelle · Adventurer Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 84

Toni, thank you for clearing some things up.

Still the outcry for the "community" I do not understand...Again the Regency is not an ooc entity for this Role Play community...it is an ic entity for governing...The difference must be clarified to stop this confusion. If someone wants to express concern about policy, government, citizenship, taxation, land claims and the like ic, then they would be heard at a Regency meeting I presume. Or at least expected to confide their concerns there in, in some fashion that is ic pertaining to their ic concerns. But the Regency can not be expected to be for all the "community" if we are stating the "community" is the ARPC as a whole...because some do not live in Trammel, where the Regency influences...some would not be governed as per their ic situations..others have their own forms of governments, as in the Kingdom of Yew... and so on...The difference is there...please, let us continue to clarify. I never realized their was this discrepancy. Also please dicern if by "community" you do mean ARPC, not, community as in citizens of Britannia...that is also something I am confused about. Thank you again Toni, and Ditto, boy was I lost for a little while though!

Arines · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject:

The meetings are open to all...if you have something to address with the Regency show up. They also have a website where all that occurs is posted. The community never showed concern before, if they had such an issue they would have gone to the meetings as Lady Labelle has or posted IC as to their concerns.

Porthos has not stepped down, not until another loyalist can fill his position. That was a missinformation. If anyone read the minutes, his speach is there.

Unfortunatley from reviewing posts it appears what occured at the last meeting was taken out of context and it was misinformation, there is still a regent it is open to all who wish to attend. There is a proptocal, loyalists first then the floor is opened to guests its been like that fro some time.
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Porthos · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject:

Let me field a few concers for the people Toni claims to be a messenger for.

Peregrin · Visitor Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 4

Is this not a revolt? a revolution against the current government of Trammel? You can view it as either, the loyalist will assume it is a poor attempt to overthrow there postions, others a call for change. Reguardless of the Regents current status, it is something that is happening in game and with those I'm associated with IC. It happens to be very improptu and an attempt on 'characters' behalf to put some fire back in the community.

The characters based in Tram, being represented by the Regent are the ones with the concern. The 'rebels' may have the support of foriegn bodies, but the protest is still thier protest.

It's up to characters in game to handle the situation as 'they' would.

As to meeting with the Regency, a body of dissidents would not necessarily go about a popular diplomatic channel. Instead finding like minded individuals untill they had the numbers to overthrow such government.

All in all, I think people are taken it all to personal and should look at it for what it is. An event for 'characters' to adapt to and see what the outcome will be. Other than the political intrigue there has been little done in character to either acknowledge the 'dissidents' or there plea for a wake up call.

My 2.

Ceinwyn ab'Arawn · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 5017

Too bad it was done OOCly ingame, rather than stay IC.

Porthos · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject:

Yes, I'm aware of you intent to cause chaos for fun, use Sid as a puppet, form your own sepratist govornment after getting Sid elected. Payback for not warring you with Sanctus. I've seen a few chat logs already. BSE made themselves well known with thier introduction of FaLlOuT the first night, cursing, yelling war me! war me! Claiming to already be the Regent and sitting in my lap. At what point were we supposed to take you seriously?

So the only time fallout was at a meeting with no guild members was to grief.

Turns out alot of your members are also real well known in the HOT/DEI circles of fell so no surprise there. The more i asked around the more were heard of. What we heard was the reason you were not warred and why the war was turned off when you joined the alliance.

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Arines · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject:

If this whole thing went IC and was done in a respectful manner, it probably would have been different. However, it was not, it is also rather unfortunate that people cannot differentiate between a governing body such as the Regency and the community of FAR. There is a difference, that would be the same as saying the Consensus of Light is ARPC, which is not true.

The original meeting where Fallout appeared, I was told was a spectacle in how to grief and annoy people. There is no IC reason to take him or anyone associated with him seriously. If this was meant to be a serious plot to get involved they should have done just that, not whine when it was convenient.
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