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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: How to RP with a Vampire Reply with quote

I have noticed lately that when some of the members of CAP, MOON and TGC have been at Tavern Nights and other RP events that some individuals don’t seem to want to interact with them, and as this would be well…. poor RP on the part of that individual I have figured that it must just be that some do not know how to RP with a Vampire.

So for this reason I have created a sort of compendium of things you should know when interacting with a Vampire:

First and foremost, remember Vampires have feelings too, they do not like being ignored!

Now this does not mean you have to be nice to a vampire, to a vampire mortals are weaker, slower, and basically just another food source; kind of like how we think of cattle and a Vampire knows you might feel some kind of resentment because of this so, they expect to be called things like; Vile Vampire, Evil Scum and so on and it is OK to do so. One of my Guild mates once said “I would rather be spit on than ignored” and well… after giving this much thought I have decided this to most Vampires would be like walking in with; “Take me, I want to be your next meal” embroidered on your tunic, so I would not recommend this personally.

Second, Vampires don’t always fight at the drop of a gold coin!

Heck, some don’t fight at all, so getting into a verbal confrontation with a Vampire doesn’t mean that it will end up in a fight, Vampires like comedy too, and watching a mortal stand on his or her soap box and speak of righteousness and good vs. evil would be quite funny to them.

As a rule CAP only take blood from Murderers, Criminals and Blood Dolls although a vampire has been know to go off reservation a time or two… or three, a vampire will usually not just attack someone for no good reason.

Third, Vampires do not want to destroy all Mortals!

Dominate yes, but destroy? No this would be foolish, vampires do have to feed and some have even found a fondness for having pets and servants and tend to take great care of there mortals. Now if you’re a Lycan, forget it, your toast.

And finally, challenging the Lord Vampire.

Not going to happen, Lord Vampire’s rarely fight battles; they have champions and body guards to do that. It’s certainly not that they can’t fight, it is just well…. beneath them to do so. So if you on that rare occasion see the Lord Vampire out and about just remember if you challenge him or her to a fight it is going to be; Necorand, Ian, Kelly, Ronin, Promise or another one of his or her soldiers you will be fighting.

I hope this will help with future interactions between Vampires and mortals, and as I come up with more information that I feel would be helpful or, if you have any sugestion that might be helpful, please let me know and I will add them to this compendium.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: Agreed Reply with quote

I have not been about what with the labor day holiday for the last two Mondays. However, I agree it is very frustrating to be ignored.

What Ronin said makes good sense. Giovanni do not pray upon the citizens in their locale either. Its not good for business to cause a scene, create havoc and terror in the neighborhoods we wish to conduct business in.

Nor do the Giovanni clan advertise publically at least often their "gift" or "affliction" Unless you've known someone to be "a vampire" at first sight it may not be apparent. Little slips in speech such as "when I was alive" or peculiar behavior may make one suspect a person is not what they appear.

You will find though many of us carry on interests we had enjoyed when alive. Were perhaps well educated in music, poetry, gardening, Martial arts or a whole host of other mortal skills. While there may be some thoughts running in the back of the mind about why this mortal seems to consider him or herself on the same ranking plane... keeping up the image of a normal mortal being can be advantageous to a vampire. Allowing for the gathering of information, cultivating business partners etc.

Also relative age at conversion varies, not all were mature working adult when sired. Thus interests, appearance, activities etc will vary. For instance Illaria was just legal adult age and had been very sheltered until that point. Others may have been vary skilled warriors or tradesman before that event disrupted things. Then existance has carried on for some many hundreds of years in this state.

I know if you not of a dark or evil alliance there is very little reason to IC come speak with a known vampire. If your career has been killing or arresting wrong doers... then you'd no more go up to a murderer and chat about the weather than come speak with a vampire.

I personally would love to hear some folks give their objective opinion. This rp category often leaves gaps... I've read everything I've been able to find on this forum I think related to these "fringe" rp races that aren't necessarily well supported by UO fiction.

I for one, tend to use time in real life mode when avoiding daylight IC as the UO days are too short and require too much work to track. We do not wish to tread into the area of "God-moding" being undefeatable immortal super beings. Merely venture into a world where creatures of the night want to bring about eternal night, dominating the mortal world through which ever means most effective be it subtle financial control, loyalty, war? Whatever works.

To destroy all mortals though would be foolish unless we could secure another means to feed or rise above it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

As a roleplayer of a vampire, I'd like to offer a differing perspective, though for the most part I do agree with Ilaria.

I'd like to offer another opinion to what Ronin says in some things, and agree with him in others, not because I hate him or disagree 100% or anything, but just to illustrate that not all vampires are alike. I actually agree that people should take more initiative to start conversations sometimes, though I wished to point out that some behavior I've been seeing newer vampires exhibit is counter-productive to that cause, and here are some tips to help you if you don't want to be ignored or blown off. Also, after reading your post, it seems that a lot of new people are making common mistakes, or a lot of older people are making newbie mistakes.

And FYI, I love Ronin to death.

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First and foremost, remember Vampires have feelings too, they do not like being ignored!


In my opinion, you either are approachable or you aren't. Being a vampire has nothing to do with it. ICly, if you are following the masquerade (as I thought CAP was supposed to be doing, but I'm not sure on that) then no one ought to know you are a vampire unless you blatantly advertise it with emotes and phrases reminiscent of neon signs. "Here there be vampires" doesn't promote the masquerade at all. If their character hasn't met yours before, they shouldn't have the slightest clue if you are a vampire or not, unless you look like nosferatu or something blatant like that. "OMGZ you have a CAP badge, you MUST be a vampire" is really piss poor RP and metagaming.

A character that sits in the corner of a bar or tavern, dressed all in black, dripping or smelling of blood isn't going to be so approachable, vampire or otherwise. I've seen a number of times that people have approached vampires and all they've been met with are insults or threatening actions/words. "You look delicious, mortal *licks lips and bears fangs hungrily* After a while of this, people will stop trying, especially "good guys".

If a vampire wants people to talk to them, they should take steps to be more approachable. Friendly hello, not armed to the teeth with sharp weaponry, not frothing at the mouth to bite into the next person to come along, that sort of thing. Pretending to be mortal often makes mortals feel a bit more comfortable around you.

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Second, Vampires don’t always fight at the drop of a gold coin!


I don't even know how anyone got the idea that vampires fight at the drop of a coin. Personally, if you drop that cheesecake you are holding, then I might call to arms. But coins? Never. Vampires are immortal and money doesn't really mean anything to us, as we've been around so long we've amassed large amounts of the stuff. You can practically see it coming out of our ears.

Like Ilaria said:

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You will find though many of us carry on interests we had enjoyed when alive. Were perhaps well educated in music, poetry, gardening, Martial arts or a whole host of other mortal skills. While there may be some thoughts running in the back of the mind about why this mortal seems to consider him or herself on the same ranking plane... keeping up the image of a normal mortal being can be advantageous to a vampire. Allowing for the gathering of information, cultivating business partners etc.


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Third, Vampires do not want to destroy all Mortals!


This should read "Third, Not All Vampires want to destroy all mortals!

Absolutely true, once I corrected the misspelling. Smile Mortals are an endless source of amusement and intrigue for vampires. Plus you are great with ketchup.

As with all things, however, there's always a few exceptions. Some crazy vampires DO want to kill all mortals. But you should be comforted to know that this is very very infrequent. I mean rare, yes rare..

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And finally, challenging the Lord Vampire.


Don't be silly! Elder vampires have skills so far up there, their skill caps are in the thousands. One emote is all it takes to drain you of blood, and even faster than you can tab into war mode.

Seriously, some of us bust our asses off for years to build a reputation of being a powerful being, then some new guy freshly recruited from fel wants to fight you and prove how powerful you aren't. This is when I bust out a tome and start laying down some heavy ass paper cuts.

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So if you on that rare occasion see the Lord Vampire out and about just remember if you challenge him or her to a fight


I stopped this one right there because there's more than one lord vampire around and the first thing that actually came to my mind when I read this part was "What fool mortal would challenge a known vampire elder lord/lady?"

I hope hope hope hope you guys don't have to put up with this type of BS on a regular basis. This behavior just makes people not want to rp anymore, if all they are getting is challenged to fights. Sad

All in all, Ronin, thanks for taking a step and putting this up. Hopefully, someone will learn something from this and hopefully those who already know better will get a chuckle.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree whole heartily with both Illaria and Ceinwyn, and I would also like to add there are many more Vampires out there other than just CAP and most sometimes experience the same things.

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they shouldn't have the slightest clue if you are a vampire or not


Thank you, this is a very good point, and although we are suppose to follow the masquerade, the war kind of threw that out the window, so most do know we are vamps. But if you do not know the character then the assumption should not be made.

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people have approached vampires and all they've been met with are insults or threatening actions/words. "You look delicious, mortal *licks lips and bears fangs hungrily


Again, I agree and unless the person you are talking to already knows you are a Vamp, this should not happen either.

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there's more than one lord vampire around and the first thing that


My apologies Hina and Ceinwyn, no disrespect intended, I shoud have said Lord/Lady vampires, Embarassed

I made this post to do just what it has so far, to get some opinions and some interaction going between the two sides. The protectorate is good and we are Evil, so we are going to fight from time to time. But even as enemies there can be some enjoyable RP between the two sides. Some of the best times I’ve had in this game have been at a tavern night, and not out on the field fighting and I think most would agree.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, sometimes tavern nights are just so cluttered up with endless scraps of conversation, it is difficult to strike up a conversation with anyone at all.

On the flipside, when a group of Caps were at Hanse's, I struck up a conversation. I was even very polite. A bit wary, but polite.

Thing is, as a Lightbringer, its hard to come up with a valid reason to approach a known vampire whom you are at war with. It makes more sense for some arrogant vampire, confident in his power, to make contact with some lowly mortal, and amuse himself.

In any event, I type with one finger, and watch the keyboard while I type, so I miss all kinds of conversation. I've turned dumb irl, into quiet and thoughtful ic, so I'll never initiate a conversation!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronin wrote:
My apologies Hina and Ceinwyn, no disrespect intended, I shoud have said Lord/Lady vampires, Embarassed


You forgot the most powerful and mighty of them all. THE Lord Jonathan Strathmore The First.

Talk about disrespect. Shesh.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

If I may, in common lue of common quotation and reference to previous works, that what your character is does indeed define if they are or are not approachable. I feel the need to quote the wisest sage of our time, Jules Winnfield.

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Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charming motherf**kin' pig. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?


I refer to this because, if my character by some astounding bit of insight or knowledge, or let us not forget capability, has come about your true nature as a Vampire then an virtual torrent of emotion or possible RP could erupt, I will forward the opinion that more than one beings would simply ignore a vampire. Thusly, one must cope with the inhabitation on Role Play, or simply become a charming motherf**ker. My two cents ladies and gentlemen and thankyou.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, and if you want company, and are trying to keep a low profile, stop ordering blood at tavern nights! What human is going to go sit with a group of vampires who keep emoting "drinks a large vial of blood?"

Also, spell "vial" correctly. Too many undead are spelling it "v-i-l-e."
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Arahim wrote:
Oh yeah, and if you want company, and are trying to keep a low profile, stop ordering blood at tavern nights! What human is going to go sit with a group of vampires who keep emoting "drinks a large vial of blood?"

Also, spell "vial" correctly. Too many undead are spelling it "v-i-l-e."


This.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

By all vile means, vials of bile are obscene.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Arahim wrote:
Oh yeah, and if you want company, and are trying to keep a low profile, stop ordering blood at tavern nights! What human is going to go sit with a group of vampires who keep emoting "drinks a large vial of blood?"

Also, spell "vial" correctly. Too many undead are spelling it "v-i-l-e."



.....people are ordering vials of blood? To me that makes no sense. I understand that many people RP their vampires differently, but in a majority of vampire lore, vampies need fresh, read: still body temperature hot, blood. This would aid in both a temporry warming of the vampires body temperature, thus assisting in maintaining their masquerade. Secondly, I'd assume that even open vampires wouldn;t really want to be waving around a giant red flag in public places which is what ordering a vial of blood would do. Now, in their private, vampy gathering spots, yeah, I could see it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW thats a lot to read lol so I didnt read it all. Have things gotten so bad that people need to post instructions on how to RP with a vampire? People never needed instructions to rp with myself or other vampire groups in the past. Im suprised by this to be honest. Im even more suprised that those who do rp vampires are ordering blood vials in public places! OMG

Honestly if your roleplaying your vampire properly, everyone should not know your a vampire and it should not be a problem. There are so few "mortals" in realm that know Remi's secret lol And I think most of those are done playing lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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people are ordering vials of blood? To me that makes no sense.


I would have to say I agree with this as well, although most taverns don't serve blood, but those that do such as CAP and MOON's taverns are Vampire Taverns and we usually have someone tied up in the basement for a fresh supply. Twisted Evil

But what I think happens is; you have someone that everyone knows is a vampire that walks into a tavern, He or she doesn't eat food nor can they consume alcohol, so ordering a Vial of Blood or a Blood wine in an attempt to interact would be an easy mistake to make, I mean in all honesty why would a vampire visit a Tavern and why would the rest of the guilds visit a know vampire tavern if you get right down to it.

*laughs* And Jaedra is correct with her lore but I never really thought
about it until it was just mentioned.

Here is my dilemma; Ronin is well known to be a vampire, he has fought in every battle between the Alliance and the Protectorate, so how would he interact, would he not go to tavern nights? Would he attempt to go somehow incognito? Because the cats out of the bag so to speak is he doomed to only interact with those not in the alliance when PvPing?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: Reply with quote

*smiles* Glad you liked the comments.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: Reply with quote

My char is blissfully ignorant of all things outside of Virtue and Moonglow (and sometimes ignorant of things inside Moonglow). So he wouldn't know a vampire unless it came up and bit him. Oh.. wait... damn.
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