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Nightshade is not marijuana.
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Cal Hurst
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree with you for the most part, Bailos, it is my belief that if someone wants to do the nightshade thing with their RP it's not a huge deal as it is very small and very insignificant, compared to "banishes you from space and time."
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

We didn't have the intention of offending anyone with our rp. We had thought it was something different to try and how people react to the nightshade we have totally left up to the player. We just are selling it as a herb and using it as a way to open lines of communication with those in the community since we are new. I apologize if our rp has offended you.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

And this is why I can only offer the suggestion. We all have varying degrees of what we can accept as minor and what we cannot. We can all agree that banishing someone from time and space is major. The distinctions come with the less obvious things like that Nightshade.

I, personally, do not find it believable even in a fantasy setting, that someone would smoke a totally lethal plant for recreational purposes and live through it. For me, fantasy only works when it's grounded in reality. No one should have their opinions and practices forcefully changed...I just offer information and perspective.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

coremon wrote:
We didn't have the intention of offending anyone with our rp. We had thought it was something different to try and how people react to the nightshade we have totally left up to the player. We just are selling it as a herb and using it as a way to open lines of communication with those in the community since we are new. I apologize if our rp has offended you.


That was me being an ass. I'm not actually offended, it's just a pet peeve that gets under my skin every time I see it. From the RP I saw last night it looked like you were dealing pot, especially the "medicinal" part. "It's medicinal!" is a phrase my brain automatically links to pot because of how commonly the two are used together. It might be because of where I live though. BC bud, man.

Bailos, you managed to word my thoughts better than I could. My post originally included a line about my character drinking pee instead of water because this is a fantasy world and it's not like our world, but that's my after-work brain talking. And it's full of bad ideas.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, if you can drink 20 bottles of deadly poison, only to be cured by a simple spell, I'm sure smoking a nightshade plant wouldn't be so bad, so long as you have a cure potion right next to you Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Vaen Swiftar wrote:
Hey, if you can drink 20 bottles of deadly poison, only to be cured by a simple spell, I'm sure smoking a nightshade plant wouldn't be so bad, so long as you have a cure potion right next to you Razz


I would be totally with you on that one, Vaen, so long as people were willing to accept the reality that Belladonna is poisonous, before going to the fantasy of smoking it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say it wasn't dangerous or deadly we just don't offer those as complications when we offer it to people. If people knew it was deadly and poisonous they wouldn't buy it Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

coremon wrote:
I didn't say it wasn't dangerous or deadly we just don't offer those as complications when we offer it to people. If people knew it was deadly and poisonous they wouldn't buy it :P


Pff, people still start smoking, even though that's deadly. People still drink and drive. frack, people still over-drink, there've been 2 cases over the last month here of college guys drinking themselves to death.

Just because it can kill you doesn't mean people won't do it if you tell them it'll make them fly in space!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not forget, we can kill horses and make glue for sniffing.

Umbra established a lore that eating the meat of a nightmare causes hallucinations and .. nightmares.. duh!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Ellesbeth is basically a "goodie two shoes" and somewhat naive, so she is going to act offended or at least act as though it is distaseful, but no, I'm not offended. People will do what they can to earn a buck in game. Just because it is not my choice, does not mean you shouldn't do it. It could lend to some good role play if you get people "hooked."

Tinkerbelle has some "meat tenderizer" in her dresser drawer that someone gave her when she was having bad nightmares after being kidnapped. Whose to say she doesn't decide to get into that dresser one of these days and get hooked on that. Not being personally experienced in that type of stuff, I might find it a bit difficult to role play as I wouldn't exactly know how to act and currently she wouldn't have any reason to get into her stash.

So if I act like I want you to leave me alone and quit bugging me, it is just my character doing this not me.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

perhaps i just took it differently then most, but to me it did not seem as if they were making a TOTAL pot reference. if i recall correctly they have said that it can be smoked, snorted...or even shot up. 2 of these things i do not think are done with pot:P so yes, perhaps hes selling the reagent as a drug, but i don't think it can be pinned down to a specific rl one.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Really there are so many different varieties of Nightshade, that you could easily rp that any manner of variety is what you have in the game. People came from earth to sosaria, so they could have brought other strands with them, if you want to say that the only one housed in the game is the deadly Belladona.

I could also say that Potatos and Tomatos don't exist in UO, because both of those are nightshade. Really, there is no basis for the argument against people wanting to rp this, except that they aren't being ENTIRELY specific. Really guys. It doesn't matter that much.

If someone wants to smoke nightshade, letem.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Look please understand I am a fair minded individual. Follow me on this one. Deadly nightshade is toxic. Nightshade is a general term for more than one plant.

*deadly* is the key here when it says just Nightshade, it can range from mildy irritating to deadly but to be deadly as in Atropa Belladonna, it is a higher toxicity of the plant. I bet most people dont know that nightshade is part of the Solanceae family, home to such things as tomatoes? *grins*

Secondly, I would like to state again, you assume this is only humans. There are many other species of rpers running about in the game. Take for instance.... the Meer...

I agree there are limits but this is such a small thing to be upset about, they arent flying around in spaceships.. I think it would be more reasonable if you dont like someones rp, since you have a choice, to be polite and move on not bring up a post to say how you dont think its possible.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm willing to agree with the Lady about her Namesake's plant.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think smoking nightshade is really a problem.

Granted, I would not associate nightshade with pot, in fact I wouldn't even associate it with drugs in general.

If it was me, I would rp it as the reagant it is known as, engineered to be of a higher quality.

People will figure out what to do with it what they will. Cast higher quality poison spells, smoke it, ...Use it for really cool props at a play?

I 100 percent agree that the 'it's a fantasty world' argument is totally abused, but people are welcoemd to rp what they will too. Sort of just have to find a ballance and be understanding of the ballance others find.
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