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Morio_Kitsune · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:48 am Post subject:

i really do not see how a bunch of guidelines can cure anything to be honest.... that is what in effect the virtues are.... just a bunch of guidelines to live by
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Molly · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:00 am Post subject:

It is akin to a religion but not quite. They hold powers unto themselves enough to battle evil.
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Kaelthir · Certifiable Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 1932

Like I said, I will act as a DM and let people find ways of fixing things. I'm going to sit down and come up with general ideas of what would work (and likewise, what might make it worse!). People who look for cures without me around in game can just shoot me a PM asking if such and such would work. This also won't permanently harm a character, although your character is free to take any sort of lesson from it they want (such as with the shy person becoming more bold).

Arahim · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:29 am Post subject:

I've never understood why Virtues are akin to a religion. I've always seen them as character traits. How can you worship character traits? Why would someone who plays a Virtuous character be immune to this plotline?

Jessie · Journeyman Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 175

You really can't, and they wouldn't.

My guess is that people pay lip service to some unnamed cosmic force, asking for help in being valorous or whatever, but that's not religion. The virtues are more a philosophy than anything else. S'my take on it, at least.

TayM'real · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject:

Jessie · Journeyman Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 175

I like the way you put it, and you're right. Belief, regardless of actuality, has imeasurable effects on individuals. Though I think people getting slapped in the face and being healed is more a desire to get paid backstage for aiding televangelism than anything else.

Morio_Kitsune · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject:

i have always thought the virtues as purely guidelines... follow them don't follow them... thats free will.... none of my characters follows the virtues... or even rp'ly made an effort to actually study them...
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TayM'real · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject:

Jessie · Journeyman Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 175

You don't really have to choose to follow them, or even want to. Unless you're a self-centered coward that loves to brag about how you do absolutely nothing and respect no relationship you've ever been part of, then at some point, somewhere, you've displayed virtuous behavior. They're just strong character traits. Some people may forcefully impose the virtues on themselves in the hope that one day they'll be a passive part of their personalities, and some people naturally don't suck in eight different ways.

Molly · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject:

If you look at the Paladins and their use of the virtues to channel magical powers that could be an example.

They don't worship the virtues, it is a way to focus and find the best within yourself. If you are pure of heart you are stronger according to the beliefs. And casting incantations give you and your equipment magical abilities. The idea is to teach the disiplines so create pureness of heart so you are ready to channel the energies around you.

You see the same concept with the Druids and the energies of the elements.

The elves and the energies of the earth.

The arcane and the energies of the earth and elements.

The Mages and the energies of the earth and elements.

Spellweavers draw on all energies and can combine theirs with others.

The Virtues hold similar value in Britannia.

On the darker side you have the Necromancers which use a combination of earth, element and undead energies. That does not mean the worship the dark that just means they access them with the skill and beliefs of the darker side.
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Jessie · Journeyman Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 175

Well said about behaving virtuously to find the best within yourself and channel it. That's much more sound than praying at a shrine for some outside force to hand you a lightningbolt of smiting. What I'd be worried about with people asking whether or not belief in "The Virtues," as a system, affect this magical.... "plague," for lack of a word... that Norture's proposing, is that you'll get get people who go "Oh, well I'm too good to be affected" and laze their way into security.

That would be no fun, and would just kill potential RP, considering nobody is The Avatar, and even the most virtuous people would have cracks in their mental armor. Repressed childhood desires [that grand imagination that was beaten out of you by a parent or by circumstance] or having been hurt in the past by someone close and having issues with trust you haven't completely gotten over [that wicked paranoia that leads people to survive off of fingernail clippings.]

Molly · Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:25 am Post subject:

Good point. I just was thinking there should be some that can help or there is no end to the thing. *grins*
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Cear Dallben ZOG · Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:50 am Post subject:

Just throwing this out there after a brief reading.
The Virtues, as compared to mondern religion, cant really be denied. they do exist, they have their own magic properties that have effected sosaria for ages. the virtues themselves have their own Words of Power, and had a huge part in the creation of trammel. Just saying, there is power and real tangible might to the virtues. To follow or fully understand them, is a personal quest. eh blah blah im done.
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Will Kaldhel · Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:51 am Post subject:

I hear in the future taco bell was the only one to survive the franchise wars. so you can always go into the sewers and eat a rat burger. I prefer Trinsic lizard burgers myself since thats what most of my chars have been eating for years IG now. Rolling Eyes

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