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Cal Hurst
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| Adrien Garnier wrote: | | D&D has classes for everything, even things we frown upon as bad RP in the community, while I find it an excellent reference for ideas and information anything we want to use from it needs to be in direct relation to the established what's what of Atlantic RP. |
Yes, but no one is trying to RP a Gelatinous Goo here. No one is attempting to claim to be a plant, either. There are people who roleplay as mixing arcane and melee (myself being one of them, as well as many other people).
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That was something the mages really had no control over, adaptation was needed to sustain gameplay and PvP within the RP community itself. In terms of role-playing mages NOW wearing or not wearing certain items, I think that is very much in our control. |
And it would still be in our control, should this change go through. Would it not? Only if this change goes through, people will have the option to find that medable bone helmet, or that awesome looking dragonscale helmet.
I'm of the mind that we are all roleplayers, and we can make decisions for ourselves. If new avenues open to us as far as our wardrobe is concerned, I do not see how this is a bad thing by any means. If a mage decides to wear full plate, ask him about it in character. Lord knows the way UO is set up, most people have the strength to wear it.
If you are against this idea because you fear that roleplayers will set aside their RP and just suit up whatever they feel like with disregard to their roleplay, then the problem isn't about supporting this issue. The problem lies within the roleplayers.
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Kaelthir
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: |
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This discussion is retarded.
I can't see any situation where having FEWER customization options has ever helped RP. |
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Darrien Church
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And it would still be in our control, should this change go through. Would it not? Only if this change goes through, people will have the option to find that medable bone helmet, or that awesome looking dragonscale helmet. |
I'm of the mind that we are all roleplayers, and we can make decisions for ourselves.
As member of a larger community all of our decisions should relate to what is in the best interest of the role-play community itself. There must exist between players for a role-play community to function be it UO, D&D or any other game a cohesive union in the type of world we would like to exist in, and that existence must allow for a balance.
| Quote: | | If you are against this idea because you fear that roleplayers will set aside their RP and just suit up whatever they feel like with disregard to their roleplay, then the problem isn't about supporting this issue. The problem lies within the roleplayers. |
It has nothing to do with role-players setting aside RP, the role-players of Atlantic are by far the most talented and dedicated in Ultima Online. But, we need to consider once again what is best for the entire community, and what fits our characters.
Could I suite up with the absolute best gear money can buy and learn to decimate my opponent...yes I could. But then I would obligate my opponents to do like-wise, and if they could not, all sense of a balanced and actually nail-biting plot-line risks being ruined, or even worse, the role-players or guilds are discouraged from further interaction which leads to isolationism.
Anyway...I think my sentiments are expressed, I'm going to bed!  |
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Cal Hurst
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Adrien Garnier wrote: |
As member of a larger community all of our decisions should relate to what is in the best interest of the role-play community itself. There must exist between players for a role-play community to function be it UO, D&D or any other game a cohesive union in the type of world we would like to exist in, and that existence must allow for a balance. |
All very true. But what does more armor options have to do with ANY of this? Whatsoever? Nothing. Allowing people to wear what they want is not going to rip apart the RP community. It is not going to cause people to OMGQUIT. What it WILL do, however, is give people more customization for their characters. Allow THEM to outfit THEIR characters as THEY see fit. It is, afterall, their characters. And if they see their mage-like character being the platemail wearing kind of character, then they have every right to put their character in platemail, and NO ONE has the right to tell them any differently, simply because THEIR "UO Reality" differs from someone else's "UO Reality."
-No where- does it state what we, as roleplayers, can, and can not wear.
| Quote: | | It has nothing to do with role-players setting aside RP, the role-players of Atlantic are by far the most talented and dedicated in Ultima Online. But, we need to consider once again what is best for the entire community, and what fits our characters. |
Can we not do that if this change goes through? I don't see your argument here.
What does this have to do with a new door OPENING and allowing people to customize THEIR characters even MORE than they currently can? What if the mage armor full bone suit fits their character? What if the mage armor full plate fits their character? What if they see themselves as a dragon slayer, and want to decorate themselves in dragon scale armor? I can tell you right now, no dragon slayer will be able to kill any dragon in dragonscale armor as it stands. But if you give a little incentive to craft anything aside from just the standard leather, you can go out, slay a dragon, and make something USEFUL out of its scales.
| Quote: | | Could I suite up with the absolute best gear money can buy and learn to decimate my opponent...yes I could. But then I would obligate my opponents to do like-wise, and if they could not, all sense of a balanced and actually nail-biting plot-line risks being ruined, or even worse, the role-players or guilds are discouraged from further interaction which leads to isolationism. |
That is what we call over-exaggerating 
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Teh Glouris Lrod Kujabis
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: |
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One can already obtain an awesome suit of full platemail mage armor with great stats. Vaen is suggesting a change that makes it easier to obtain, thus giving blacksmiths more reason to craft out good armor and bring the majority of armor in this game to some use, with the side benefit of roleplayers having more option, as appearance is a large part of a roleplayer's character.
The argument of 'every mage running around in full plate is silly' holds no water, provided that everyone does what fits best with their character instead of going 'OMG NEW SHINY STUFF I GOTTA HAVE IT' and having no self restraint.
Personally I would go nuts and make some heavy archer or light archer (wow, those are some old terms  ) in valorite or something and make a hybrid mage to go with it.
Any of you ever see Jago Bloodmourne (my samurai mage) running around in full samurai platemail mage armor that was shadow colored, and a big halberd? I think it was friggin AWESOME. I would love to see that kind of thing be easily attained instead of need to spend all the money and effort I had to put into it to pull it off.
Regardless, as goona said, there isn't really any way that more customization options can hurt roleplay. |
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Ceinwyn ab'Arawn
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I swear I used a barbed runic on bone armor, and it worked. Did they change it? This was only within the last 6 months! |
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Cal Hurst
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| Ceinwyn ab'Arawn wrote: | | I swear I used a barbed runic on bone armor, and it worked. Did they change it? This was only within the last 6 months! |
You can use the kits on bone armor. But bone armor isn't meddable. The point of this is to make any exceptionally crafted armor meddable by default, just like the Samurai Empire Platemail.
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Ceinwyn ab'Arawn
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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*laments once more over the unfairness of dragon armor being so damn rubbish when it should be the best metal armor in game..* |
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Merci d'Rue
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May I say that both sides have very valid points. To be honest I dont stand on one side or the other. I dont agree with mages wearing full plate and I wont put it on mine, but I think we need to sit down and say. What is good for some doesnt have to be good for others.
I have always beleived in freedom of creative expression. Some peoples characters it would make sense for their mage to run around in full plate armour. Definitely in the hybrids. However this is where I agree fully in the matter of restraint.
I wont sweat small things but the overall picture, what is created, is that right for your character? I have a set ideal for merci. There are changes I could make to her that would make her a better PVPer all around. Yet she is a strong fighter, she does well as she is and it makes her rp beleivable to me. So I will not change her and sacrifice her rp. Thats what is important, I wont stick a totem on her head because I think for Merci it looks wrong. That doesnt mean for someone else it isnt right for their character.
The truth is if you really love your characters, love rp, you will ultimately do what is best for your character. I started out not being able to pvp at all. It was so annoying to me, that I had supposedly good fighters that I really couldnt fight with. I learned to pvp just so I could say, yes she can fight and shes good. Yet I wont sacrifice what she is for that, I did it to aid her rp it would be stupid to let it take over.
Basically, this change, if it happened would be no different than all the other changes that have gone thru. Some would not like it and therefore not do it, some would be thrilled. In actuality you wouldnt be required to put on a full mage armour suit. Therefore its not a problem. Stay true to your character and be accepting of other peoples ideas and rp. Dont let pvp override rp we have fel for pvp land and other characters. The truth is that you can have the leetest greatest best Pvping guild ever, doesnt make you the greatest guild by a long shot. I think a guild that can balance RP and pvp, keeping rp at the forefront is a great guild. Many in this community have done it. Its a hard thing to do. Yet if we remember this it wont matter what changes ultima comes out with.
Heck they could come out with a suit that looks like a donkey but is a I PWN everyone suit, rpers wont put it on. Not the ones that arent rping donkeys.
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Cal Hurst
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Agreed, Merci. But I would have to own one of those donkey suits. Just because... well. It's a donkey suit. And I'm an ass
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Merci d'Rue
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Oh my that was priceless I will chuckle about that all day. Yes in that context I guess I could see ALL your characters wearing the famed suit.
*grins* I jest of course..
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Cal Hurst
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Merci d'Rue wrote: | Oh my that was priceless I will chuckle about that all day. Yes in that context I guess I could see ALL your characters wearing the famed suit.
*grins* I jest of course.. |
Vaen yes. But Asher? A suit made of flowers would be more suitable for him... *sigh*
But! It needs to be medable. And therefor (pushes post back on track <3) this change would have to go through
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Doireann
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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I have to say, I love this idea. Doireann currently has me so unless I want her in samarai plate mail, (YUCK!) she has to wear leather. I would love to see her in full platemail. It's ic for her to be so, yet, she's in full leather. Also, both Xandria and Yasa wear violet courage, aka platemail. It anyone asks, it's a magic piece that literally weighs nothing. Would I put either in full platemail? Heck no. I even RP my 105 str Yasa as too weak to wear chain or ring mail armor, let alone plate.
I would love to see Undead/ Evil wander around in bone armor. I do want to see Squires in ring mail, and knights in platemail. Though, my biggest hope is if we do this, can we please have something to dye metal that isn't an artie that isn't spawned anymore? I can already see the issue of shadow, dull copper, and verite mixed. (Dory's would be bleached to plain iron color. ) |
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Jonathan Strathmore
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I have meditation on Toren, and I so wish I could put him in Platemail and not wear a bear on my head. But as it is I can't. UO needs to come out with cheep, npc bought deeds that change the type of armor. My spirt of the totem could be a close helm, and my crappy leather could be crappy plate. And RBC, chain tunic. There, solved. Push that instead. |
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Ceinwyn ab'Arawn
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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I think a donkey suit would be full meddable.. seeing as how bear and deer masks are. |
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