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Cal Hurst
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot has been accomplished in these pages. Information is coming out, feedback has been presented, and steps have been revealed. While there's a moderate amount of bitching, this is moreso a constructive feedback session. Just because people disagree on the internet, doesn't mean that it's instantly a wench and moan session festering with trolls.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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Alright, I tried my best. I'm off to do anything else.

Have fun!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Sara Delan wrote:
I will now post a response using only images, like a modern interpretive dance, but with less hippies.









Maybe instead of just bitching and moaning about how much these guys failed, (when I get the impression they are only trying to help) we stop sniping each other and get to that meeting mentioned earlier and figure something out there.

Obviously nothing has been accomplished here in 7+ pages of arguing.


Dang good point Sara. I think everyone knows where I'm coming from and what we are trying to accomplish - a place to bring people together. Please ICQ me if you need me!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:45 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix/Jandruz wrote:
D'thal Morlith wrote:
I'm not understanding what the point of this "council" is going to be. Is it more ePrick waving? Discussing the merits of abolishing the LRC property to stimulate job creation for reagent vendors? A council with no sound backing is going to go nowhere quick.


Phoenix/Jandruz wrote:
The original proposal for ATL was sent by me. It referred to a mage tower and ways to turn it into a community center. We've since moved beyond that. It is a community center. period.


Then why don't you use the one in Skara Brae? Now it's sounding like you're taking advantage of the history for the sake of having the modern day equivalent of a seer blessed tower dropped in Moonglow. Period.


You know what. I apologize for throwing period in there. I got a little frustrated with trying to explain that this is intended to be a community center and we do not want to call it a mage tower. I am sorry.

This tower is owned by Mesanna. It will never be owned by me or anyone else on the council.


Yeah, the story and goal behind this project has changed enough times that I don't know what to believe from the mysterious strangers who have spearheaded this. It's like watching someone nail a coffin shut, tear off the lid, play with the corpse a little bit, then repeat the process as an infinite loop.

So what rights will you have to the tower? Co-Ownership? Storage space? Decorations? ...Vendors?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:57 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel me posting here anymore is rather unwanted. I won't reply to all of the posts that I wish to, so I will say I did read them all at least.

I do hope to see you all at the Q&A, even if it is to protest the Tower. We want these towers to go the direction that the majority wishes it to. If this Role Playing community wants nothing to do with it, that is okay as well. We just had to try and extend our offer to you.

I came here because the phrase "Mage Tower" was tagged onto these Towers. Yes the idea was born from the Mage Towers, but we have said many times this is NOT a replacement for your Mage Tower by any means. And I knew the focus would be on that. I also came and posted here in case you wanted to ask me anything at all.

However, Even though my intentions were to help Pheonix see this gets off the ground, I do understand that people of Atlantic are worried because "someone from LS" is helping. And you're right, I should focus on my own Shard. So I will publicly say this; I am withdrawing 100% from the Atlantic Tower because the community wishes it, I in turn wish the Community will step up and help Pheonix out.

Thanks for posting here, I wish Atlantic luck! And to Halister, Fight the good fight sir, The LS Chapter will always be here for you in the time of need.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

How much support for activities are the devs/Gms going to give to the council? More pixel crack rewards? What type of events are they going to host? Just how many things are going to be rendered obsolete once this is fully created? Will these questions be answered at the meeting? I mean, yes I will be attending, but it helps us if you people on the "council" already have a list of our questions in advance so you can address them at the meeting. This way we don't have to compete with the usual crowd of griefer/spammers.



From the posts above this is what I have gathered so far..

This building/council will:
Replace the Skara community center in terms of name
Replace the EMs in terms of activities for the community
Replace the mage tower in terms of design
Replace Luna in terms of banksitting/lag
Perhaps replace the EM reward museum


I am all for reducing lag in Luna, but I think the best way to get commerce back to Britain is to put a crimson dragon spawn at Luna bank for about a month.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

The real question I would like addressed at the meeting from either Mesanna or the EM's is will the Atlantic Mage Tower be restored in it's proper Felucca location?

If that will not be answered then the question I'd like answered is... will the players of Atlantic have a say in who will lead the council for the "Community Center Tower" or are we stuck with the person we have now?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:28 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Ceinwyn ab'Arawn wrote:
How much support for activities are the devs/Gms going to give to the council? More pixel crack rewards? What type of events are they going to host? Just how many things are going to be rendered obsolete once this is fully created? Will these questions be answered at the meeting? I mean, yes I will be attending, but it helps us if you people on the "council" already have a list of our questions in advance so you can address them at the meeting. This way we don't have to compete with the usual crowd of griefer/spammers.



From the posts above this is what I have gathered so far..

This building/council will:
Replace the Skara community center in terms of name
Replace the EMs in terms of activities for the community
Replace the mage tower in terms of design
Replace Luna in terms of banksitting/lag
Perhaps replace the EM reward museum


I am all for reducing lag in Luna, but I think the best way to get commerce back to Britain is to put a crimson dragon spawn at Luna bank for about a month.


These questions have been forwarded to EM Eris so he knows what to expect at the town hall. Thanks for compiling this list!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, the events this council will probably run sound a lot like the old Questmasters guild type of events. Is this an accurate assumption? If so, will these council members be requiring assistance from players to help set up events or play NPC roles or will the EMs be in charge of acting this all out and setting it up? I would like to hear how the EMs feel about this project. Obviously, they would be in favor of anything for Atlantic that gives to the community, but I am interested in knowing if this cuts into their own duties as an EM.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix, first I'd like to congratulate you on lucking out and getting Mesanna's attention on this matter. She tends to get very busy and difficult to contact sometimes. However, now that that has been accomplished, the next necessary step if you truly wish this to be a community thing rather than something for bragging rights is to fully hand it over to the community. That means stepping down. The safest way to go about this would be to ask the EMs to take over the lead on this project, including on the selection and maintenance of a council if one is deemed necessary. The EMs are a logical choice for three reasons. First, this shard is their home and I'm pretty sure that knowing and building on its lore is their job. Secondly, they are here for the benefit of all parts of the Atlantic community and not just those of a particular playstyle (such as roleplay or pvp). Lastly, the EMs have many tools at their disposal to promote events tied to this site, whether the event is run by them or by others. If you would like input on the future development of this project, it has been my experience that EMs are good listeners as well; and if they decide that a council would be beneficial to the community you are more than welcome to request consideration for a position on said council.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Ceinwyn, really, the concept was to create a cool, interactive place for players who wanted/needed a change from Luna, to come to hang out and congregate. We wanted a list of features on site to help accomplish that. As part of this, we thought that running community events would help get people to the tower. In our development discussions we hoped for EM support, but didn't know whether that would happen. It looks like it will. As far as I know this is not a change to the current EM system, this is really supposed to be a fun addition to our shard. The people on this council will not be running the shard, will not be directing the em events, etc. They will really just be responsible for figuring out ways to get people to this tower, ways to make it fun for people.

Zerin, Thanks for your input. I want everyone here to know I informed Mesanna that many people on these forums would like the EMs in charge and would like an application process if there is to be a council. As of right now things stand the way they have been presented. Of course, Mesanna is in charge, and if after the town hall she deems it appropriate to make changes I will absolutely honor whatever her decision is. This is her job, I don't want headaches for her. For me, this is a fun project in a video game I play.

Again, I think we've gotten to the point were people think this council is some grand dev designed addition to the game. It's a player run council for players, to host player run events for fun.

The concept is not much different than if Joe Blow placed a castle near brit and formed a council to host events. The difference, here, is we have dev support because they want to see our community thrive. So, Mesanna is willing to make the place more attractive than just a tower in Trammel.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Cal Hurst wrote:
A lot has been accomplished in these pages. Information is coming out, feedback has been presented, and steps have been revealed.


Cal, I knew we'd agree on something before we were done. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm almost scared to put my name in here. Shocked On a serious note, the biggest issue I have is staring at the thing, it smacks of lack of knowledge/respect for the community or more, Atlantic's history. I won't go into disecting it in full, but it says something that seeing bright red and white plants in front would upset me. (Yes, I still have someone in MTC, but the gm is in Afghanistan and I'm not playing acct hop. Razz )

What is wrong with Skara's community center that you won't improve on that?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Beleth wrote:
If your shard is Atlantic then what have you done for Atlantic? If you are so dedicated to Atlantic, why do you not know who any of the key players are on the shard and have to ask who should be on the council?

You keep ducking the question sir. What have you done for the players of Atlantic in the past that should give you the right to run this project? As it stands I think your friend Derium received a response from Mesanna and you jumped on his bandwagon to do the same thing on Atlantic. The difference is Derium is known on Lake Superior, you are not known on Atlantic.



Not to offend you Beleth but this is unfair. just because you don't know someone nor have rped with them doesn't mean they aren't part of the ATL community. I've been on this server since the day I started years and years ago. I know and have interacted with many people. I know of you but can't recall ever talking to you. Yes he has been given something that rightfully should have gone to a much more established community member. Honestly even with one days time one could have gotten some input into this. that aside calling him out as you did is wrong.

As for our two friends.. if they were truly interested in more then (in my opinion) making a mark on the game. I doubt it would be to hard to have the Atlantic part of this project handed over to the community who will in the end be the ones making it work or not. I commend them for doing such a wonderful job in getting the devs to do this. But, as so many have said.. there needs to be more then just a "hey look you have this tower for your server" If it is to truly work you will need this community or it will end up like the old haven tower built years ago. .. unused and deleted.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Draven, I asked numerous times for Phoenix to state ANYTHING he did on/for Atlantic and he could state nothing. In one of he replies he describes having just returned a few months ago. I called out a person who got something they did not deserve and stand by it.

Derium of LS is working to re-establish there Mage Tower, because on Atlantic a person was placed in charge who does not know the history of the shard we get a tower in Moonglow that is a "community center". Hell, even Eris's event to discuss this is titled "Mage Tower Meeting".
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