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[Darrien Church]

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We have pursued many projects in conjunction with the AMT, you make it sound as if we've uselessly these years sat about mourning the lack of a Mage Tower and that is in itself offensive! We have built Ultima Online's largest functioning library and have participated in as well as personally crafted as a community some of the major unique events and instances on this shard in conjunction with the UO staff. Your lack of knowledge as to what those are (and they are numerous) illustrates in a large part the systematic disregard for this shard's history and people in this undertaking, you approached it entirely the wrong way, as did it's actual builder.

[Phoenix/Jandruz]

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[Ariana Lenoir]

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I can't fathom Mesanna having done this in this manner. It doesn't seem like her to just go on this project on a whim and not even taking into account the rich history of Moonglow, consult with others, etc.

It floors me that the people making the council, working on this, etc appear not to even be from Atlantic. If they aren't even familiar with our history, the people on this shard... how the hell would they even form a council? Why does it even NEED a council?

Hopefully the 'meeting' will clear up stuff, but it should have been held BEFORE it was created to get everyone (not just rpers) opinions and concerns.

This thread makes me actually sick to my stomach.

[Phoenix/Jandruz]

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[Yasamin]

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But, no one uses the one we have, nor brit bank that has all that's requested. Why another community center?
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(4:45:41 PM) Jarem: It becomes increasingly difficult to feel noble in my causes when my cause is to defend my charge from her own violent tendencies.

[Ariana Lenoir]

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[Phoenix/Jandruz]

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[Phoenix/Jandruz]

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[Ceinwyn ab'Arawn]

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Mixed feelings on this.

I think it's absolutely wonderful that another historical landmark will be honored in memorial. I feel it's great that a GM has finally taken an interest in a project pseudo-related to preserving the memory of the Mage tower. Thank you, LS folks, for helping with that, at least. Our lavish and colorful town banners are all a testament to Mesanna's motivation and enthusiasm, so I can understand about not being given much time to organize once you got her on board with your project. It also leads me to question the odds of LS getting a memorial without Atlantic having been first involved. It may not seem like a fair assumption, but Atlantic is the more heavily populated shard, so it is more likely to get things like this first.

However, as many others have said, you did approach this the wrong way. You ought to have had Atlantic people on board with you, people who have been working toward AMT recognition/restoration for years, BEFORE ever pushing forward to the GMs and powers that be.

Now that is all aside and nothing can be done about it at this point. The project is started, but is it too late to hand it over completely to an Atlantic team, one including or led by Halister himself? You should get together with Mesanna and discuss handing the Altantic project over, and then actually do it.

I also wanted to say that Halister has worked very hard over the years, dedicating himself not only to the Mage towers, but to several parts of the Atlantic Community. While you LS folks may have been avidly pursuing the towers themselves, Halister has given of himself in several areas including this RP community forum and the community it hosts. He has busted his ass, given his time and quite often his hard-earned money, to keep old buildings and historical rares from slipping into obscurity and Oblivion. He dies a little inside every time another part of Atlantic history is lost to trash bins and decay. His dedication to this shard is known by many, inside and outside of the RP community, itself. The rumors you posted regarding how he reacted are insulting and he doesn't deserve to have someone come here and do that, especially after undermining his hard work. He deserves to have a huge hand in this, whether or not he spams EA's junkmail bins in his limited free time or not.

[Phoenix/Jandruz]

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[Sara Delan]

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I'm not going to pretend that I know even half of what is going on, nor will I claim I even read half of the posts in this thread, because that would be a horrible lie. Four pages of 5 paragraph posts is way more than I'm willing to put into this.

HOWEVER!

In the few posts I did read, and my skimming of the rest, I've come up with a few key ideas, some of which might be completely off, and for that, I don't really apologize at all. It's somehow your fault.

1. This new mage tower place was put in place without really asking the community at large and we've taken offense, feeling like being as vital to the community as we are, we should have had a say.

2. Whoever had the capacity and resources to build a new tower, probably doesn't need anyone's permission. Maybe the tower isn't where you'd like it or being run by someone you know. Isn't it better that it exists at all (albeit not how you'd run it), than not at all?

3. A lot of people on both sides are being pretty elitist and need to get off their high horses which are, in turn, standing on pedestals. I realize some people have put a lot of time, effort and money into this game, but that doesn't change the fact it is still a game. A game with a community, true, but still. Let's not let tempers flair and attack people right off the bat because they weren't taking your feelings into consideration. The ARPC are still just players. They don't consult us with each patch. We shouldn't really expect special treatment, but take it as an honor when they do.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

Sig curtisy of Yasamin

[Phoenix/Jandruz]

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[Ceinwyn ab'Arawn]

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[Beleth]

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Phoenix, until today I have never met you, heard about you, seen you contribute to Atlantic in any way shape or form... At least publicly. The way this "concept" was created is ridiculous.

Congradulations to Lake Superior for getting your Mage Tower restored, you do deserve it. Coming to Atlantic and doing the same thing as an unknown is unacceptable, hell I would rather have JC or Supsoc leading the charge here then someone I've never heard of. The last thing Atlantic needs is another community center that will be forgotten in a month. If your intention was to create a community center why request a tower in the first place? Make use of what has already been given to us and base it out of Skara Brae. Talk to Mesanna, have her add additional things to that community center rather then making it even more useless by outright replacing it.

I helped Halister, to a very small extent, in creating the Felucca Mage Tower memorial. SEVERAL members of the role playing community here alongside Halister have attempted to get that tower restored and have been ignored. Now... an unknown person who "plays Atlantic as his main shard" and an LS player have been gifted with something VERY similar to what has been asked for by those ESTABLISHED Atlantic players and because of the backlash you keep taking steps back saying "this isn't a mage tower"? Backtracking like that is even more insulting then coming right out and saying "hey we got lucky, Mesanna agreed to restore a mage tower on our shard and wanted one on Atlantic because of the population so allowed us to run with it too".

If you have ANY respect for the players of Atlantic Derium, you will step back from this project. Phoenix, if you want to head the charge for a community center, that is fine, but the location you chose to replace Luna is downright idiotic and the fact that it was a tower placed in the city of Mages is an insult. If you want to run an Atlantic Community center either use Skara Brae or move the tower to the waters by the Yew Abbey so it can be near SOME vendors and that will at least promote some foot traffic. But before you try to run ANYTHING, contribute to Atlantic in some way... Show that you really want to create a community center. Use the one we have now, run events there. While running these events make notes of the current flaws in it and outline a plan and a reason for wanting it relocated. Put some effort into it... don't just by a lottery ticket and get lucky.

What this entire thing sounds like now is you don't want the players of Atlantic to complain at the upcoming meeting to remove you both from control so Eris or an established Atlantic player can take over. I really hope this tower is removed and replaced with Eris as the owner in the Felucca location so that a real Mage Council can be created again and the eternal flame of mages restored.

As it is now this project is nothing but a slap in the face to not only the role players of Atlantic, but to ALL players of Atlantic.
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[Cal Hurst]

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