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Edda Certifiable

Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1586 Location: US
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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*puts on her empty quiver and steps into the shadows in an open field*
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Jonathan Strathmore Certifiable


Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 1986 Location: Inside your mind.
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Just make sure you were a ghillie suit over that quiver Edda, and we're golden  |
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NightShade Lore Master

Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 1152
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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hahahahhahahahahah omg Edda... lol hahahhahahha _________________ Something is Wrong, I can still feel Existence... |
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Mairsil Lore Master

Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 1241
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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While the argument that hiding in plain sight is a part of the world that is sosaria is a valid one, I still find flaw in the argument.
Yes, someone with the taming skill can go out into the wild and tame an animal. That's just fine. But my argument remains that just because we can doesn't mean we should.
The biggest point of my taming example was not so much the rudeness involved in marching a bunch of super dragons over to someone's house, but more so in that i started I could tell all of stonegate to become tamers in the first place.
In the world of sosaria we can all learn to tame animals if we so choose. However, Stoengate is a guild of warriors, who are based in Malas, most of which have been in Malas for an extremely long time.
While we can all go train up taming, I would consider it extremely poor roleplay if my entire guild knew how to talk to, tame, and control super dragons tomorrow. It doesn't make sense for a host of people to acquire such an extremely foreign skill set in such a limited amount of time.
This example isn't exactly the same as the hiding example, but it is the same argument.
You wouldn't say in character that you have 100 points of hiding would you? Most people would perhaps comment that they are good at hiding, or that they were good at sticking to shadows...
but no one says In character: "I have a hundred points of hiding!' and disappears. We don't acknowledge skill points in terms of game mechanics, so why use them that way? _________________ "You see I can not be forsaken, because I'm not the only one. We walk amongst you, beating, r#ping, must we hide from everyone?" - Jon Davis |
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Yasamin Lore Master

Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 1221 Location: Behind the laughter that lays within the shadows
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Edda wrote: | *puts on her empty quiver and steps into the shadows in an open field*
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You know, just an observation, there are shadows even in an open field, unless man made machines have touched it. There are small mounds, bits of grass... _________________ (4:45:41 PM) Jarem: It becomes increasingly difficult to feel noble in my causes when my cause is to defend my charge from her own violent tendencies. |
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Edda Certifiable

Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1586 Location: US
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Only if the sun is shining from the north on a tuesday at 3:05 pm eastern and there are no cumulus clouds |
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Cal Hurst Atlantic Legend


Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 8025 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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My argument is simply that someone that puts 100 skill points into hiding has put the same amount of effort into ONE action that someone with 100 magery has put into multiple actions. No, of course you would never say "I have 100 skill points of hiding," but you can absolutely say that you have done extensive training to learn to blend into the unseen.
It's not perfect, no. But we can't start tapping the realism hammer in Sosaria. Sosaria =/= Earth.
I, personally, have trouble seeing someone conjure fireballs, turn into a wolf, recall, gate, resurrect the dead, summon demons, heal someone's wounds in an instant, resurrect ghosts with bandages, order dragons what to do, craft platemail in 3 seconds, turn into a tree and start walking, stab himself in the heart causing everyone around him to be healed/resurrected, and I could go on forever.
But these are things that are accepted and OK in the community, primarily resurrecting ghosts with bandages. Somehow you are applying a bandaid to their spirit.
However, this isn't Earth. People can do all of those things, including popping out of sight instantly. _________________
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NightShade Lore Master

Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 1152
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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well to bad for you its wednesday at 3:06! Burn!
Edda wrote:
Quote: | Only if the sun is shining from the north on a tuesday at 3:05 pm eastern and there are no cumulus clouds |
_________________ Something is Wrong, I can still feel Existence... |
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Deacon Drake Certifiable

Joined: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 1663 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Simple answer, if you're not a wraith...
...smoke bombs.
Even if you're not a ninja, you can emote *drops a smoke bomb* and boom. Invisible bike. _________________ [img]http://askcorran.com/lonegamer/abomsig.PNG[/img] |
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Rags Journeyman


Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 143
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dameon Skye wrote: | Simple answer, if you're not a wraith...
...smoke bombs.
Even if you're not a ninja, you can emote *drops a smoke bomb* and boom. Invisible bike. |
I think some people's problem with this is not the action of hiding itself, but where they go when hidden. Bottom line is that you will have to modify some of your points as a rper to blend in with game mechanics. They can hide but it's really easy to cast reveal or have some elven friends around. Just pretend that their hiding skill has some innate magical properties and that's why it's so affective. |
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Edda Certifiable

Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1586 Location: US
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Okay I'll be serious for a minute.. But only one.
I love your arguments for this topic a lot , Cal. You're my new hero.
You cannot join BL without having ninjitsu hiding and stealth. Clearly it would be really strict in our guild lore or whatever to train your buns off in those areas.
Ninjas are generally sneaky, stealthy, and its okay that you're intimidated. I would be too..
Cause
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Yasamin Lore Master

Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 1221 Location: Behind the laughter that lays within the shadows
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Ugh, if Edda's going to be serious, I guess I should. I do rp hiding in spots, but for yasa, once hidden, she can blend with shadows. Yes, she's human, but I have rp'd her as being good with it at a young age. It's skill wise, the only thing she's good at. Well, and finding hidden people. She's more comfortable in shadows than elsewhere. She has magery, yes, but she'd be the first to admit she's not good with it.
So, yes, to do the initial hiding, she'll find a spot, but once hidden, she's hidden. If you sit on her, sure, she's revealed. Or if you step on her, pass through her, etc. Heck, it happens all the time! lol Even game mechanics say I can't stealth while you stare at me. *grumbles* Nor can I stealth within two tiles of you. I respect that, even if the person is blue, since, if I can hide to begin with due to game mechanics, I can be revealed ic'ly for the same game mechanics reason. My wiki even says she's really good at hiding. I don't even say stealthing, just hiding. She trips alot.
But I think yes, it's important to remember that bit of flare. *hides behind the building* *ducks behind the bush* heck even walking off to somewhere and coming hidden. The idea is she's a shadow walker, yes, but she can't turn invisible. I think everyone's rp should reflect that. Heck, even wraith's when becoming hidden emote something, like *disaperates into the wind* or some such. _________________ (4:45:41 PM) Jarem: It becomes increasingly difficult to feel noble in my causes when my cause is to defend my charge from her own violent tendencies. |
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Edda Certifiable

Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1586 Location: US
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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works for me |
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Sindreline Journeyman

Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Posts: 148 Location: Wherever the Evil is strongest
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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But what if your a Ninja that has gas? |
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Cal Hurst Atlantic Legend


Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 8025 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Sindreline wrote: | But what if your a Ninja that has gas? |
Self-produced smoke bombs. _________________
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