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Cal Hurst
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps an individualist stone ran by ARPC Staff wouldn't be a bad idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Merci--

Yeah, I totally get what you're saying about non-guilded blue characters. But like you said, you're not using those characters to mouth off to people and make alot of threats either. You're probably also not using those characters to get deeply involved in major ARPC plotines either. That's what I'm getting at here.

And I disagree that we have to be thankful for any RP--even the godmod type that comes from blue characters. To me, a blue character running off at the mouth to someone that's orange to the rest of the community just sort of makes a mockery of all the effort the ARPC leadership has put into making RP fun and immersive for all of its members.

To me, those characters don't even exist ICLY. I don't need thier RP...there's plenty to be found from ARPC members who want to abide by both our Rules and the Spirit of the RP we're trying to create here.

Do you know how much it irks me (and Kinn, ICLY) to see 6+ blue names in Umbra every night lately? Each of these "strangers" wants a piece of the current umbra plotline pie. Those who are involved in it know that it's both an exciting---and potentially very dangerous---story that's unfolding right now. What danger exists for those 6 or 7 blue names that I see every night in Umbra now? They RP thier way into the unfolding events--trying to get all the fun and excitment of the story---but they have nothing to fear (thus avoiding all aspects of any danger that is associated with this plotline).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps an individualist stone ran by ARPC Staff wouldn't be a bad idea.


We used to have one. It died. I'm willing to front one and get it started if everyone wants.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Rags wrote:
Sindreline wrote:
I myself at the moment am blue to everyone here but IC I still follow by the rules set forth by the ARPC community.


I think his point is, even if you don't talk smack and play nice, there is a level of interaction that is missing because you would be blue to everyone. If you rp an assassin and someone, for some reason puts a contract on you, the assassin can't actually pull it off with you being blue. I guess they could emote *supersayindeathassassinmoveyoudieirl* but that's very lame.


I agree but then you have like Merci where my character was in Umbra but does not feel like he belongs to any community right now. That doesn't mean I am gonna stop RPing just because I cannot kill someone or they can't kill me. I'm also not gonna be aggressive toward anyone. If I am in a town and in RP they ask me to leave I will I won't just sit there and throw threats at them.

Of course that is just me. Any other Blue Rper that portrays themselves in a god mode type behavior you can always lend thema deaf ear.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

If a blue ever started being aggressive towards any of my characters, I shrugged them off and told them they weren't worth my time. If they persisted, I RPly ignored their presence.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

i think its safe to say that the vast majority of people that rp with us are very aware of the rules set forth by the ARPC. i also think its safe to say that the vast majority of people dont go around looking for a fight.i can speak from experience (as we tend to get tons of visitors) your average "blue rper" is only going to react to how he is treated.

for example if you find one traveling your city and approach him with hostility they will and generally do react in kind. if your first tendency is to threaten anyone in your city regardless of what you see (them being warred to you or not) you must know what to expect one way or the other.

on the other hand, as i said, most are not looking for a fight, simply someone to talk to. i can count the number of times on one hand that we have "kicked" someone out of our city. blue or not it was handled properly on both sides. i know personally i have handled the "brash blue rper" (the one in a million that is either ignorant of how things should go or simply do not care) with a simple "you are not worth my time, leave before you truly upset me" ignore said person after that and its done.

i dont think ostracizing any blue rper IC is a good option, for many do not know know or cannot make the distinction between IC and OOC. all it would amount to is us losing potential guilds and players because of this treatment.

at the end of the day, how many true rp guilds out there are blue to the vast majority of us? besides your random one or two that does not check the war invites regularly *hint* sanctus *hint* and your new guild that has yet to be voted in and an accepted part of the community (of either ive only seen three or four including the two from the tavern last night, i honestly dont see it as the huge inconvenience its sorta made to be here. its really simple, if they are blue to you dont rp in a way that would lead to a fight and you wont get treated in any disrespectful fashion. i always assume blues lookin to rp are simply getting a feel for us and just wanna see how it goes, and yes,you can still be bad, evil or mean without things coming to a fight.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinn Wrote:
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And I disagree that we have to be thankful for any RP--even the godmod type that comes from blue characters. To me, a blue character running off at the mouth to someone that's orange to the rest of the community just sort of makes a mockery of all the effort the ARPC leadership has put into making RP fun and immersive for all of its members.


Kinn I didnt so much mean the bad rpers that are godmoding goodness knows I am not thankful for htem either. I should clarify, I meant more the new ones that dont know any better I am still thankful for, at least hopefully we can pick them up and get them trained a bit one day. They are activity. Yet its hard to say whats running around Umbra I am guessing you running into alot of not new people hence your upset.

I would know better if I had been in Umbra the past week but I havent, no need yet..
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinn wrote:
Do you know how much it irks me (and Kinn, ICLY) to see 6+ blue names in Umbra every night lately? Each of these "strangers" wants a piece of the current umbra plotline pie. Those who are involved in it know that it's both an exciting---and potentially very dangerous---story that's unfolding right now. What danger exists for those 6 or 7 blue names that I see every night in Umbra now? They RP thier way into the unfolding events--trying to get all the fun and excitment of the story---but they have nothing to fear (thus avoiding all aspects of any danger that is associated with this plotline).


im sorry, but your words kinda have a "this is -our- rp and unless i can kill you when i want you cant be part of it" feel. i dont see an issue with people just wanting to be part of things. them being blue means 1 that cant hold land so have no real stake in the situation and 2 cant kill you at all so really hold no effect on the outcome of your fights or plot. its not to much of an issue to just let people participate. go with the flow man, they cant hurt ya one way or the other so let them be involved and hopefully in time they will be confident enough to fully become part of the community.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Merci d'Rue wrote:
Kinn Wrote:
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And I disagree that we have to be thankful for any RP--even the godmod type that comes from blue characters. To me, a blue character running off at the mouth to someone that's orange to the rest of the community just sort of makes a mockery of all the effort the ARPC leadership has put into making RP fun and immersive for all of its members.


Kinn I didnt so much mean the bad rpers that are godmoding goodness knows I am not thankful for htem either. I should clarify, I meant more the new ones that dont know any better I am still thankful for, at least hopefully we can pick them up and get them trained a bit one day. They are activity. Yet its hard to say whats running around Umbra I am guessing you running into alot of not new people hence your upset.

I would know better if I had been in Umbra the past week but I havent, no need yet..


Yeah, I understand Merci. Wink

I think I've made it pretty clear that I'm not talking about new people. I'm talking about established names on these forums (and hence, this community). They're blue--still. They're getting themselves put in to major ARPC plot lines--with ZERO risk. If Kinn wants to participate in the unfolding Umbra drama he has to watch how he gets involved. If Darrien catches him spying on another of his conversations, for example, I'm sure Kinn will have to pay a price. These blue guys--what price do they worry about paying? They walk around Umbra and talk to anyone however they please. A very memorable experience IN THE DROW QUARTER comes to mind. ICLy--would any of you get caught sneaking in the drow quarter and then have the nerve to wonder why a drow was questioning you about why you're stealthing around? I mean, really?

Bish--I'm not talking about new people. I had hoped I made that abundantly clear and I apologize if there was any confusion there. These are people with high double digit and even triple digit post counts on these forums. They know, for certain, what we're about. To me, they want all the benefits of what the ARPC has established (including this awesome umbra plotline kicked off by Cein) but don't want any of the "risks". Not like there are any real risks anyway--but that's besides the point.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

i understand that, only said most of the time that is what i assume of a blue rper. but my statements still hold true. can they affect the outcome of the situation be it simply for rps sake or even in a battle? no...so no harm no foul.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Bishimi wrote:
i understand that, only said most of the time that is what i assume of a blue rper. but my statements still hold true. can they affect the outcome of the situation be it simply for rps sake or even in a battle? no...so no harm no foul.


I know that I, and a lot of people agree with me, feel that it hurts rp immersion to have someone who can not be harmed or touched in a certain way. A large part of rp is about violence and threat of violence. Without that being viable it takes a huge aspect of rp away for me. Maybe you don't want to kill them but just cast paralyze on them? Put para fields around them so they can't escape? These are only a couple of things that you wouldn't be able to do if they are not warred to you. Not to mention all the other negatives attached to having a mix of blue and orange rpers when a battle DOES happen (blue guy keeps the orange guy healed etc...). And if you don't think a blue rper healing a orange rper that the other team cannot harm doesn't affect the outcome, or prolong, a battle...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Bishimi wrote:
i understand that, only said most of the time that is what i assume of a blue rper. but my statements still hold true. can they affect the outcome of the situation be it simply for rps sake or even in a battle? no...so no harm no foul.


See, that's my point though. Some of them ARE influencing the direction of RP in Umbra right now. Even if it's only in small ways.

The point of the post was

a) To hopefully encourage some of the still blue veterans to find a way to no longer be blue. The warred status enriches EVERYONE's RP. The stone for unguilded Rpers is a fantastic idea to help facilitate that. I hope it takes off and if I can help support it in any way, please let me know.

b) To hopefully encourage some of the major players in the big plot lines (specifically the Umbra one going on right now) to not allow those who have no risk to reap the rewards of RPing thier way into the story arc in an influencial manner. Let them RP in it--that's fine. But don't let thier actions have any influence on the story. That really wouldn't be fair to the rest of the community who have to balance thier actions on a risk v. reward basis thanks to the warred status.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Just gotta through my 1 cent in here.

Uo is kinda sorta a medieval environment. In the olden days if you are warred with another country or province you would have nothing to do with them and if you were not or they were strangers you would be cautious and their adice wouldn't be worth much. If you really don't want to have any problems with anything then treat the ARPC like that. No more tavern nights and no more community events. Otherwise you will always have problems in any game with people not going along with what you like.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Rags wrote:
I know that I, and a lot of people agree with me, feel that it hurts rp immersion to have someone who can not be harmed or touched in a certain way. A large part of rp is about violence and threat of violence. Without that being viable it takes a huge aspect of rp away for me. Maybe you don't want to kill them but just cast paralyze on them? Put para fields around them so they can't escape? These are only a couple of things that you wouldn't be able to do if they are not warred to you. Not to mention all the other negatives attached to having a mix of blue and orange rpers when a battle DOES happen (blue guy keeps the orange guy healed etc...). And if you don't think a blue rper healing a orange rper that the other team cannot harm doesn't affect the outcome, or prolong, a battle...


im sorry if it sounds like im arguing for the sake of arguing, but thats not the case. the examples that are sited by you or kinn sound to me like newer players not people that are vet rpers or are on these boards hardcore like. anyone with a seance of rp etiquette would not let these things happen. if i were blue to an arpc guild i would know enough to 1) rp a para or whatever field 2) rp capture or death and 3) know better then to get involved in a battle where im not warred to anyone. i also know that if the BL were fighting say the drow and blues were healing us i would not count it as anything and stop the fight to be concluded another day. i honestly feel your posts are simply assuming the worst of people, especially people that are, as kinn states, on these boards with plenty of posts and should know better. the actions you both site sound to me like those of newer players not vet ones.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Bishimi wrote:
Rags wrote:
I know that I, and a lot of people agree with me, feel that it hurts rp immersion to have someone who can not be harmed or touched in a certain way. A large part of rp is about violence and threat of violence. Without that being viable it takes a huge aspect of rp away for me. Maybe you don't want to kill them but just cast paralyze on them? Put para fields around them so they can't escape? These are only a couple of things that you wouldn't be able to do if they are not warred to you. Not to mention all the other negatives attached to having a mix of blue and orange rpers when a battle DOES happen (blue guy keeps the orange guy healed etc...). And if you don't think a blue rper healing a orange rper that the other team cannot harm doesn't affect the outcome, or prolong, a battle...


im sorry if it sounds like im arguing for the sake of arguing, but thats not the case. the examples that are sited by you or kinn sound to me like newer players not people that are vet rpers or are on these boards hardcore like. anyone with a seance of rp etiquette would not let these things happen. if i were blue to an arpc guild i would know enough to 1) rp a para or whatever field 2) rp capture or death and 3) know better then to get involved in a battle where im not warred to anyone. i also know that if the BL were fighting say the drow and blues were healing us i would not count it as anything and stop the fight to be concluded another day. i honestly feel your posts are simply assuming the worst of people, especially people that are, as kinn states, on these boards with plenty of posts and should know better. the actions you both site sound to me like those of newer players not vet ones.


Bish, I wish these examples were just from newer types. You start doing "emote" wars and that opens a whole new can of worms that NO ONE wants to even touch.

As for stopping a fight because of a blue healing isn't as easy as it sounds. Let's say that you and I are orange to one another. Your buddy "Joe" is with you. You assume Joe is orange to me as well for whatever reason. We start fighting and Joe starts healing you. You have no idea that Joe is blue to us and marvel at how well he does at healing during the heat of the battle.

This is example happened not two months ago between me and some others. They were all experienced ARPC members. The one who was being healed was a great guy and honestly had no idea that his buddy was blue to us. These types of things happen over and over again.
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