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Malo Journeyman

Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 231 Location: Stuart, Florida
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Tarothin Armunn wrote: | Malo wrote: | Thank you Ceinwyn, Tarothin and Spawn for your input and reminding us that following any logical need for virtue and order is a concept that you find beyond understanding. |
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It's called our character's view points. Tarothin = evil and trying to take over the world.
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Something is beyond someone's understanding but it isn't on our side. |
No I totally understand your IC personality and that is what I was addressing. Seeing as we have absolutly no OOC contact, why would I comment on anything else? No need to switch to OOC and take it personally. After all, you constantly put down the concepts of the virtues IC...why would anyone think you understand them..ICly? _________________
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Thrax Seasoned Veteran


Joined: 09 Apr 2005 Posts: 493 Location: Alderglen, Felucca
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Well I am caught square in the middle for sure. I may be the only ARPC member who is a member of the "old" Regency, but I hold a post that took a while to come by w/o any OOC baggage hanging on.
So, yeah, I am not thrilled about how it all came to be and why; how the OOC bad blood led to this huge schism over the course of time (and everyone should know it has). I know it was inevitable; you keep hammering at something and sooner or later you will hammer something out; you keep feuds going, splits happen. But it is not fun being caught in the middle and having to wonder if everything you've done RPing the "Good Side" to get where you are in the game really means jack.
But I will keep plugging away like an idiot hoping something good for the community will finally come out of it. |
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Tarothin Armunn Babbling Loony


Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 2061 Location: Dark Cove, Felucca
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Malo wrote: | Tarothin Armunn wrote: | Malo wrote: | Thank you Ceinwyn, Tarothin and Spawn for your input and reminding us that following any logical need for virtue and order is a concept that you find beyond understanding. |
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It's called our character's view points. Tarothin = evil and trying to take over the world.
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Something is beyond someone's understanding but it isn't on our side. |
No I totally understand your IC personality and that is what I was addressing. Seeing as we have absolutly no OOC contact, why would I comment on anything else? No need to switch to OOC and take it personally. After all, you constantly put down the concepts of the virtues IC...why would anyone think you understand them..ICly? |
Well I thought it was personal, because Tarothin follows some virtues. Honor, Valor, Justice. Though, it is his version of it, but regardless, he knows Order better then most. Reason why I thought you were stating it OOC. Because it was off from how my character is. |
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Malo Journeyman

Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 231 Location: Stuart, Florida
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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I don't not know you OOC so no way to make a personal comment about you
In Character...As you said, your version.
for future reference..I am almost always IC. I seldom indulge in OOC chat _________________
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Cear Dallben ZOG Administrator


Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 2495 Location: Blackrock, Isle of the Avatar
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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as far as I care, there both grand old things.
its just an atlantic community/FAR thing.
both are super fracking duper but the sonner we actually split the two up. the better. atleast we both now have a governing body. we can both have a luau. someone bust out the steel drums ill get teh cannabis _________________
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Cal Hurst Atlantic Legend


Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 8025 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Cear Dallben ZOG wrote: | as far as I care, there both grand old things.
its just an atlantic community/FAR thing.
both are super fudgicles duper but the sonner we actually split the two up. the better. atleast we both now have a governing body. we can both have a luau. someone bust out the steel drums ill get teh cannabis |
If by separate the two you mean have it so neither side recognizes the other and they go on their merry way, you'll never separate the two. Too many people in the middle. _________________
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Cear Dallben ZOG Administrator


Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 2495 Location: Blackrock, Isle of the Avatar
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: |
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nah nah your definatly right there, with ppl in the middle, but there are two now. one for arpc and one for far. tho adrien is respecting another communities gonverment(and so is thrax, *insert others here*).
the people who arent in the middle, dont have to. Its respectable, whatever. MY thoughts on it are generally to complext and miniscule to even bother saying. They revolve around doing my own thing with who i want, pressuring people to give up their hopes and dreams, RP, be ONE, and join my guild. there is alot that divides successfully tho. _________________
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Teh Glouris Lrod Kujabis Transcendent Spammer

Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 5740
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:10 am Post subject: |
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Meh. |
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Cear Dallben ZOG Administrator


Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 2495 Location: Blackrock, Isle of the Avatar
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Teh Glouris Lrod Kujabis wrote: | Meh. |
Im gonna actually second that and raise you a Meth.
All in all. Everything is perfect. RP if flawless. no drama, no conflicting with one side or the other, no misunderstandings, no mad jokes, all you have to do is join my guild. or ignore lots of stuff like me. hell you can even do both, like me. hell, just try to be more like me guys. ......................................................................................... _________________
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Cal Hurst Atlantic Legend


Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 8025 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Cear Dallben ZOG wrote: | All in all. Everything is perfect. RP if flawless. no drama |
DONT SAY THAT!!!
Everytime someone says that, there is drama within a week or two. EVERY TIME!
Bad Cear! Bad! _________________
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Jonathan Strathmore Certifiable


Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 1986 Location: Inside your mind.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Cear Dallben ZOG wrote: | nah nah your definatly right there, with ppl in the middle, but there are two now. one for arpc and one for far. tho adrien is respecting another communities gonverment(and so is thrax, *insert others here*).
the people who arent in the middle, dont have to. Its respectable, whatever. MY thoughts on it are generally to complext and miniscule to even bother saying. They revolve around doing my own thing with who i want, pressuring people to give up their hopes and dreams, RP, be ONE, and join my guild. there is alot that divides successfully tho. |
It comes down to be an IC thing
The way I see it, as Adrien has said, the two governing bodies do recognize each other but the Protectorate represents novelity and reformation in their point of view, of a government that hasn't worked, and isn't about to work. Vis-a-vie, it is all about your characters ic point of view as far as politics are concerned, Are you a republican or a democrat? Are you a Regencetic loyalist, or a protectorial loyalist?
Conjure your character's ic political beleifs and try to realize where you would stand? I see no reason why their cannot be two ruling bodies. It gives we the people freedom of choice. It, personally, makes perfect IC sence (I can't fracking type today)
So either way you sway, just try to imagine your character's Political beliefs, and motives, and try to realize which group will further their interests and ambitions.
Woot for Anarchy, btw |
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Imryrr Armunn D|O Journeyman


Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 254 Location: Dark Cove
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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I guess the D|O would be with the Independents then? hehe
In public, I've not stated my opinon and since it really would do no good and only start ooc bs because my personal opinion is somewhat cold & blunt, I'll just keep it on the RP level. Things seem to have many more flowers and butterflies when you do it that way. And if you think I'm living in a fantasy world...I am. *wink wink* _________________
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Teh Glouris Lrod Kujabis Transcendent Spammer

Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 5740
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | RP if flawless. no drama, no conflicting with one side or the other, no misunderstandings, |
I am a fan of spontaneous roleplay, and my definition of spontaneous roleplay doesn't match up whatsoever to what is happening here. Flawless to you, maybe. As for the rest... Heh. Maybe this week. Once again, roleplay should not be like those factories and warehouses with 'no accidents in X number of days' posters in them; you shouldn't have to count how long its been since there was last drama. But, alas, I'll follow up by repeating what I said. Meh. |
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Thomas Hunter Sage


Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 572
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Mods, Please if this is not appropriate for this thread move it to the Summit, or delete. I am not trying to point fingers or incite flames. I am simply speaking my peace on a subject that I care deeply for. I believe that for us to thrive as a community we have to work as a community. I think that is important.
Im sorry if this is going to seem a bit long, but I will try to keep it as brief as I can. Take into consideration, I am a relative newcomer to RP on this shard. I played for 6 years on another shard, and in all that time, I never experienced any DRAMA. Maybe I was lucky, but that is how it was for me. Several years back, I moved from West Coast to East Coast. I quit playing for three years. When I came back 18 months ago, I started all over on Atlantic.
That being said, I will say that even now, I have to stop and ask people that have been here longer what the heck is going on. I am still somewhat confused by the difference in ARPC and these boards, FAR and the Regency. Darrien explained it to me in detail the other day, and if I pestered him, I am sorry. But I think that I understand.
OK, in a perfect world, there would be one PORTAL for RP on atlantic. In a perfect world, there would be one community, with everyone not only getting along but helping out their sosarian neighbor. In a perfect world, there would be no place for drama that was not IC, and peoples feelings would not get hurt OOC wise. That is a perfect world. That is not the world that we live in IRL, and in UO.
There are OOC issues that no matter how hard we try we can't get past, no matter how much we might want to. Like the Middle East, everyone there says that they want peace, but the turmoil has gone on so long, that so far any diplomatic attempts at peace in the region have failed. And until such time as there is someone that is more of a threat to the parites involved, they will remain enemies. The hatred runs too deep to be quelled easily and anyone that intervenes will be seen as an enemy of the state, and sadly be a casualty of the crossfire. I am not an expert on the middle east, but have spent enough time there to recognize extreme fanatacisms that will keep them apart for generations to come.
Now, to our community. IC wise, the only reason Thomas has to dislike the current Regency is the perceived hypocrisy and isolation. IC Wise the only interaction Thomas has had with the regency was to be shunned by the regency and laughed at by the sitting regent at the time he tried to attend one meeting. If the regency has a problem with my journal entries, IC Wise they can't. As they are private entries in my journal. IC Wise, there is no finger pointing in them, nor attempts to stir anything other than thought. That is why IC Wise he supports the Protectorate.
OOC Wise, there is PLENTY of reasons for the person sitting at this keyboard to have conflict with not the entirety of the Regency or FAR people, but with a select few who happen to wield power within those organizations. This is not the place, nor do I have a desire to go into the reasons. I wish that there was an eraser, or a magical button to make these OOC reasons go away.
I will however try my very best to put the OOC reasons aside, and maintain my chars in character. IC Wise, if the Regency was more accessible by all, more open to the needs of the people that make up this community, then by all means there would be no need for a protectorate.
A couple of months ago, when the Regent was contemplating stepping down, there was a fury of activity in the community that I think was not attempts at a grab for power but to help heal the wounds in the community. People stepped up to speak their minds, and to participate in the selection process for a new regent. That was a sign. That was the perfect opportunity to help seal the rifts.
When the majority of the people in the community were not only ignored, but belittled for wanting to take part in the process of selecting a New Regent, that was in my opinion a blow to the efforts to bring the Regency back into the community. When the Transition from Porthos to Ramses took place with the community being held in secret, and even voting members of the regency council not being informed, that was the Death Blow to attempts to integrating the Regency back into the community as a whole. OOC it really made a lot of people mad that as a part of this community they had no voice in the selection of a new regent. IC wise, it displayed isolation and elitism. (Not sure if that is spelled correctly)
I guess the whole point of this post, is that there will always be OOC reasons for conflict. In a perfect world, there would be some mechanism for conflict resolution. I dont think that the Protectorate is meant to replace the Regency, but simply to give more people access to partake in the RP that is possible in Britannia. The same people that showed enthusiam for helping to select a new regent months ago also participated in the setting up of the protectorate. There was a large turnout, and strong support for a government that the people can participate in.
Wiki's definition of community is as follows:
A community is a social group of organisms sharing an environment, normally with shared interests. In human communities, intent, belief, resources, preferences, needs, risks and a number of other conditions may be present and common, affecting the identity of the participants and their degree of cohesiveness.
DO I think that the rifts in the community can be repaired? Yes, I do. Do I think that it is going to happen any time soon? No I don't. Do I have all the answers? No. I DONT. Do I have any suggestions? Yes, but not sure if it even worth the effort.
I am not saying that the REGENCY is dead. I am saying that a good portion of the people in this community feel that as it stands it might as well be because they do not have interaction with or access to it for one reason or another. So to a large portion of the community it is dead. To those caught in the middle, truly, you have my sympathys.
If the Regency wanted to, it can take steps to build bridges in the community. The Regency can not blame ARPC or anyone for it's problems, without first recognizing that its policy of isolation is the biggest detriment to good community relations. PERIOD. The reasons behind this perceived isolation need to be addressed, and remedied for inclusion back into the community as a whole.
Keep in mind, and this is my opinion, and how I see it. But I believe that it is one shared by quite a few in this community. People will have little desire to work with a government that they are isolated from, and who does not serve their interests. Don't send Ambassadors out to work for better community relations, do it yourself.
Then again, if this is not what you desire. Forget I said anything. RP, Post, do whatever you want, but remember we have the right to do the same. Hence the protectorate. _________________ "Always speak the Truth even if it leads to your death." - Lord Godfrey |
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Cear Dallben ZOG Administrator


Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 2495 Location: Blackrock, Isle of the Avatar
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